Help talk:Reviving For Great Justice

Hey guys, it's me Speeddasher. You know, when we first started making For Great Justice I thought that it would be so awesome when it was finally finished. It's been quite a few years now, and it still isn't finished. It's because of this that I've made a decision. Since I don't think it'll get done otherwise, I request to adopt the For Great Justice stories so they can finally be finished. I'm going to be assembling a team of writers who will help finish the story, and only they will be able to edit it.

Together, we'll come up with a plot line for each story and then put it to work. To make sure that it gets done, I'm putting all my current projects on hold until we've at least gotten somewhere with this. Yes, Tails6000 and the Ray of Youth is going to be put on hold, aswell as all the other stories I've had planned. I just want to know that one day when I've quit this wiki that the For Great Justice Saga will be complete. For those of you who want to join in the quest to finish these stories please put your name below. However, only put your name down there if you're willing to spend time to help complete these stories. If you're not, then just leave this page right now because this team needs writers who can put work into this project. For all you others though who are willing to work, please sign up. These stories must be finished, and I won't rest until they are.

An Announcement
It would appear that once again people aren't working on this project. It's been quite a few weeks now and barely any work has been done. Therefore I've made a decision. I will wait until next Saturday and see if things have progressed. If not, then I will be disbanding this project and simply work on reviving the stories myself. I will still accept help, but for the most part it will just be me writing them. So if anyone wants this project to continue, please start editing. We already have a solid plot for the Pie War, and I'm ready to start whenever you guys are.

Well, it's been quite awhile since then, and I don't think anyone is gonna attempt to finish these stories. Therefore, I request the adoption rights for all of the stories, and will attempt to finish them myself. I more than have enough free time to do it (being home schooled and all), and I have a lot of plot ideas for the stories (though I just know TS won't like some of the ideas I have for the Wikia Catastrophe). Once I get the adoption rights I'll start working on a script, and then editing on these stories will finally begin.

Sign Up Here

 * I suppose I could help a little...although not too much as I've got KWIKCAKES to eat!--XTUX345: "May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose! May an elephant caress you with his toes!" 15:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Tails 6000  (THE RED TEAM MARCHES ON!!!! ) 02:26, January 2, 2011 (UTC) 16:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC) (I'm in)


 * Sure, why not. --Austin8310 King Radical. The most Radical Man in Radical Land.http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/13p27/ 16:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I can help a bit. I'll only be doing the Power4U Affair, though. Lake  Trio  3  17:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think for the revamp, we should puish the dates up. The first took place in 2009, but we should move it to 2011/2012


 * I'm game! However I'm off to Wales for the weekend until Monday. I should be able to edit a bit, if the ferry or hotel rooms have internet. Also, I'm not logged in right now (also, the name to the Silmarils changed to Iluvat). -Triskelle3


 * Sure.Great idea. I'm Different... SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! 21:29, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure - it looks like people are actually taking this seriously.-- Agent Johnson |  I'm Brit-ish and cause of that, I'm Liberal.  06:30, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes...only is 12yz12ab is included, at least once. I dont care how he is included, just once or twice...or as may times as you want. --12yz12ab DON'T MAKE LEMONADE! GET MAD! 10:34, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

KwikNotes

 * FINALLY, SOMEBODY ACTUALLY LISTENED :D Thanks a heap Speed, I really appreciate. I've got a few things to say -


 * 1) Kwiksilver isn't really the main focus at all. The Pie War was the final showdown against Darktan. Kwiksilver only featured briefly in the end. He becomes the main focus in the Nightmare Epic.
 * 2) Leave everything intact to the point of all that Armoured Darktan stuff. All the writing was good stuff, before some user compressed it all into little chapters. We should just start writing from where the original writers officially left off to save time.
 * 3) Met had a plot figured out for the Nightmare Epic, and so did Zone. We'll just put them together.
 * 4) The Wikia Catastrophe is the story in need of a disastrous rewrite.
 * 5) And lastly, the chronological order must stay the same. Too many other wiki articles are based around For Great Justice's timeline that it would take too long to retcon them all.

Again, I'm really glad somebody finally took action. I just wanted to let you know that half the job's done for us, guys!--Sir Kwiksilver of TARDIS- What kind of hallway is this? Is this your house?   02:02, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. I'm going to be dedicating most of my time on this wiki to finishing these stories. I've already started on a new Pie War cover. Looking back on it, the old one that I did was lame and didn't tell that much about the story. Also, Wikia Catastrophe is going to get a major rewrite. Changes will include removing Metal Explorer (I plan to have him killed off during the Nightmare Epic), removing Malcur, and I think Nightmare should be removed aswell (she should be killed in the Nightmare Epic). First things first though, the Pie War is my main focus at this point.

Status
Here I (aka Speeddasher) will track the status of the operation.


 * August 18, 2011 - The project has officially begun! So far we have three members, not including myself, and the chapters of the Great Darktonian Pie War have been deleted so that the revamping may begin.


 * August 19, 2011 - The first two chapters have been edited to fit in with the new revamp. I'm not sure if we'll be bringing back any of the other chapters or not.


 * August 20, 2011 - Austin has brought it to my attention that I've rushed into the writing a little to fast. I apologize greatly for this, and because of this all editing of the Pie War will cease until we can all come up with a plot.


 * August 28, 2011 - Some edits have been made, but otherwise progress has been kinda slow. Hopefully we can all get to work on this soon.


 * September 3, 2011 - Other than some progress on the new cover, nothing. Someone please help with this.


 * September 6, 2011 - The new cover for the Pie War has been completed, but that's about it. Someone please come and help with this.


 * September 10, 2011 - We have a solid plot for the Pie War now, and writing should begin once more people can start helping.


 * September 16, 2011 - Other than a few pictures, not much progress has been made.


 * September 23, 2011 - Some revamped parts for the Wikia Catastrophe have been made, but nothing new on the pie war. Just to let everyone know, I'm ready to begin writing whenever you guys are.


 * September 26, 2011 - Quite a bit of the begining of the Wikia Catastrophe has been revamped.


 * October 26, 2011 - Wow, a whole month since I've done one of these. Anyway, there's been quite a bit of progress on the Wikia Catastrophe, and some minor progress on the Pie War and Nightmare Epic. I've been suffering a bit of writers block for the past few days though, and I've been watching a lot of One Piece, so things might be a bit slow for a while.


 * November 1st, 2011 - Okay first of all I hope everyone had a Happy Halloween. Second of all I've started writing some new parts for the Pie War, I just haven't uploaded them yet cause they're not finished.

Discussion
Okay first of all, here's my idea for the revamped plots of the stories.

Great Darktonian Pie War

The premise is basically the same, Shroomsky sues Triskelle for the rights to Iluvat, a war between Darktan starts, you get the idea. However, the stories characters line up will be greatly trimmed down, so that it will only focus on characters essential to the plot. I don't know who these characters will be, but we can figure that out later. The main focus of the story however will be Kwiksilver, since he's sort of the main protagonist of the For Great Justice series. It will focus much less on individual battles, and more on the actual war. Metal Explorer will have a bigger role in the story, and he'll be secretly working for Nightmare (who has ordered him to make sure Darktan looses at all costs). In the end Darktan will transform into the Maledict and begin rampaging throughout South Pole City, and then Kwiksilver, Luce, and the Kernel transform into the Brilliance to beat him. Darktan is now reformed and everyone lives happily ever after. Until the Nightmare Epic. Speaking of that story...

The Nightmare Epic

We'll be using the plot that Zone cam up with, except with some minor changes (like Tails X being the one to gather the Gems, Gargantuan invading Arda to retrieve Kill, and the exclusion of Darktan II).

Power4U Affair

"Coming Soon"
 * I'll be on the project as soon as it comes to us. Lake  Trio  3  15:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikia Catastrophe

This one I have a lot of ideas for. First of all, I'm going to be drawing new designs for all the characters. It's been quite a few years, so I'm sure they've aged a bit. For instance, Explorer is going to have a slight mustache, Speeddasher has let his hair grow out, and Willy is now a young adult instead of a kid. I also had the idea to make the Masters of the Universe older aswell (imagine an old Mayor McFlapp and Director Benny fighting). The basic premise will remain the same, but the story will flow much more smoothly, and several other universes will be added (for instance, the Okami Universe).

Keep in mind, these are not for sure ideas, these are just ideas I had. If anyone else has any ideas, feel free to list them here. I'd love to hear them.


 * The ending is messed up a bit. I mean, one minute, it's just Kwiksilver and Virus in the cannon room, next minute, Kwiksilver, Virus and Willy The Penguin are in the cannon room. I think we need to work stuff out there. -- Epic Intro Of Blackness  07:55, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. Don't worry, the Wikia Catastrophe is going to get a complete rewrite when the time comes.


 * We'll deal with that WHEN WE NEED TO. That's kind of irrelevent right now.--Austin8310 King Radical. The most Radical Man in Radical Land.http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/13p27/ 17:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll attempt to see if the Metroid universe can squirm in. Progressive Stupidity Mata Nui,the great spirit,allows you to speak to him! 15:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll also try to make Dark Lorgas one of the villains,obviously.


 * Like Austin has already stated, we need to focus on the Pie War at the moment. We'll deal with the Wikia Catastrophe when the time comes.

GDPW Backstory
Written by me. Opinions?

Professor Zlo Shroomsky had recently sued the Iluvat crown off King Triskelle, an event which shocked the High Penguin commmunity. The High Penguin council came to the conclusion that they did not belong in this new world any more, so every single High Penguin except Luce began migrating to their homeland of Arda.

Encouraged by the absence of his greatest foes, Darktan finally mobilised his troops and began marching towards South Pole City, intending to take it as his base of operations and declare himself ruler of Antarctica. Professor Shroomsky, realising the implications of what he had done, scraped together an army of all the good creatures in Antarctica and faced off Darktan at Peanut Butter Jelly Time Valley, near South Pole City.

And thus, the most epic battle in a millennium began: The Great Darktonian Pie War.

--Sir Kwiksilver of TARDIS- Gordon Freechtman! What are you working on!   01:54, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

GDPW chapter suggestions
Well, I would recommend keeping all of 14, most of Chapter 15, all of Chapter 16, all of 17, 18, and we have the Archived Inclusions, which are actually perfectly fitted after 18. The main problems are in the earlier chapters.

13 is decent, but it's much too short to be a chapter, and is a really good opportunity to enhance the Bugzy arc.

12, on the other hand, is a terrible chapter. Asides from the parts with Kwiksilver, which are somewhat important to the plot, the rest of the chapter is shoved inserts. Really not useful in any way.

11 has another Kwiksilver arc, and a nice little Speeddasher fight scene that I like. And the giant pen thing, which I really don't see the point of. The rest is useless. On second thought, we have the option to chop that arc, or we can make it slightly more prevalent. I don't know which one is better, but we should decide.

10 is pointless, but it has the imprisonment of Manny Peng. Really not sure if any of that is nescessary.

9 has a nice battle scene, but it's a bit irrelevant. I'm not sure what we should do with that.

8 is okay. It really would need expansion. Major expansion. And a possible assualt. But do we want to keep the Substitutiary Locomotion sequence, or do we want to get rid of it? IMO, I would get rid of it because it doesn't serve the plot.

7 is keepable, but it DEFINETLY NEEDS EXPANSION. The main problems with the earlier chapters is that they're incredibly short-5000 bytes, or less.

6...don't really see a point in. There's a Tails fight, but he leaves the battle. He does this at least twice throughout the course of the story-do we want to keep that aspect? I don't know.

5 is short and somewhat pointless.

Another thing is Explorer's constant dialogue from McFlapp. While it is witty and humorous, it really takes away from the story. And of course, just because I think we should keep them doesn't mean we shouldn't improve them or change them. --Austin8310 King Radical. The most Radical Man in Radical Land.http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/13p27/ 20:07, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Good ideas Austin. Also, you can remove the fight with Tails and Metal if you want. I still plan on having Metal defeated and sent to EFF though. Also, I think we should leave out chapter 3 (aka the one with the three Marx people) because it serves absolutely no purpose to the plot, and it's shorter than the prologue.

Also, I've noticed that there are 7 major prevalent things to the story.


 * Substituary Locomotion, Giant Pen, South Pole Citadel, defense of SPC (middle chapters)


 * Billy Mays (early chapters)


 * Tails and Speed and Metal Explorer (early-middle)


 * Kwik and Friends (later chapters)


 * Explorer/McFlapp/BoF (spread through whole story)


 * Bugzy (mid-later chapters)

Ironically, the actual battle/campaign isn't part of these. I recommend adding that. I would suggest we split the main themes/things and assign one person to write or head one or two of these parts, and then we intermix these through the chapters that they pertain to. And do we want to keep all of these, add and remove? I don't know-I would like to hear input from the rest of you on this. oh btw thanks for responding Speed. Does this mean we cut some of the Tails VS Metal Explorer parts? We'll still want to have parts of that arc, but removing some parts might be a good idea. And yes, Chapter 3 is really pointless. Funny, but it doesn't belong.--Austin8310 King Radical. The most Radical Man in Radical Land.http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/13p27/ 20:17, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, we can remove parts of that arc. Also, I agree with you on expanding Bugzy's arc, and adding more battle into the story. I also think we should get a new picture for the Maledict so that it's not just a stereotypical giant dragon. I've tried drawing one, but for some reason I just can't seem to draw dragons very good.

Speaking of which, I think maybe the story should have three acts, each representing the days of the Pie War. In these acts, the focus would be on different things. For instance...

First Act: The Pie War begins and everything seems to be going fine for the Good Guys, as the entire Conclave of Doom has been taken out. This changes when Darktan uses Manny Peng to take out several of the Good Guy's tanks. All hope seems lost for maybe a chapter or two, and then Billy Mays shows up to demonstrate Oxi-Pie. Using his products, the Good Guys begin to win again, which is when Darktan begins to get serious. He tries sending in some of his stronger minions, but nothing seems to work. After a bit of thinking he devises a strategy that is sure to turn the tides. Darktan then unleashes the Magma Puffle which nearly wipes out the entire Good Guy army. The Good Guys try to destroy it, but it simply absorbs everything they shoot at it. It's then that Kwiksilver realizes that their weakness is infact bananas. He states that if the fill the remaining Pie Tanks with bananas then they should be able to bring it down, but they'll have to find a way to get some tanks close enough to it and keep the puffle still. Barkjon and Fred volunteer to distract the puffle while Explorer, Tails6000, Kwiksilver, and Shroomsky head out in some tanks to fire. Meanwhile, Speeddasher is busy charging up his Dark Blood Dragon attack (the one from the ray of youth story) so it can hold the puffle still while the tanks fire. The Magma Puffle is slightly distracted by Barkjon and Fred calling it names, but eventually realizes the tanks appearing to shoot him. He quickly rushes towards them, but Speed then unleashes his attack that wraps around the giant puffle. It's then when the four tanks surround the puffle on all sides and begin shooting him with all they've got. Eventually, the puffle breaks free from his bonds, but when it tries to attack, it simply melts from the potassium in it's body. The first day of the war ends, and while they did manage to defeat the puffle, the Good Guys still lost a good deal of their tanks and Darktan clearly has the upper hand. Meanwhile however, King Triskelle and his men are on their way to fight in the war, and are bringing with them the Elemental Amulets.

I'm not sure how the second or third acts will go, but I think this would be a good way to fit the various story arcs into the story and make chapters longer. Bugzy I think should be introduced at the end of the second act, and Metal's fight with Tails and Speed will take place at the begining of the third act. Let me know what you think.

The removal of pointless subplots.
I've been thinking about why Zone thinks The Great Darktonian Pie War is a mess, and now I see why. There's way to many pointless subplots. Seriously there's constantly something different happening, and it just gets confusing to the point where even the subplots have their own subplots. The reason for this is that so many different people edited this story back in 2009, and wanted to put their characters in the story (I'm not going to say I wasn't guilty of this because I was), so it just became a mess.So right now, I'm going to list the subplots that should be left out. They are...

The Ninjahopper subplot - It's pointless, and only leads to Speeddasher entering the battle. Besides, in the revision Speed is at the battlefield at the begining of the story, so this is entirely pointless.

The Tails plane subplot - Same reason as above.

The Metal Explorer subplot - Well this one technically is going to stay, but it's going to be much different. The fight will still take place, but it'll be a lot different.

The Manny Peng subplot - I think Manny Peng's role should just be reduced to Darktan using him as a football. He'll still be captured at the end of the story though.

Speed's fight with the Icari - The reason for the being Speed's abilities are different from when that was written, and he know uses sword fighting mostly. Plus, he's also much stronger than Darktan's lesser minions so the fight would be over really soon.

The Leopard Seal subplot - This subplot is entirely pointless. It leads up to nothing, and should just be left out. Nuff said.

The Giant Pen subplot - If it's improved then fine, but if it's not then we should just leave it out.

The Armored Darktan subplot - I have no idea what I was thinking when I came up with this.

Well that's pretty much it. I think that The Magma Puffle should still remain, but I think that the battle should last a lot longer. The Bugzy arc should absolutely stay. Also Austin, I agree with you on chapter lengths. Some of the chapters are so short that they might aswell be merged together.

Cover Discussion
Here is where we can discuss what the covers for these stories will be like. I'm going to be making new covers for each of the four stories, and if anyone has any ideas please post them here.

You're doing a great job on this, Speed. For the Wikia Catastrophe cover I'm thinking some of it is all majestic and pretty like a painting, and it has the word "Wikia" written on it in elegant script (or at least the wikia logo). Then, under that there's just blackness creeping in, a purple misty thing joining the two sides (Deletion Wave). Then, under that you put the word "CATASTROPHE" and a picture of Virus' eyes in the shadows. Just an idea.--Sir Kwiksilver of TARDIS- Gordon Freechtman! What are you working on!   23:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Nice idea. At this point however we really need to get a solid plot for the Pie War so that writing can begin.

Beastsector?
If the Beastsector is part of the DTA, then how comes I've seen very little use for them? They are listed higher than the Greater Minions, so they would (I assume) have an important role, but I haven't seen them at all. Their series of articles haven't been finished by the way.-- Agent Johnson |  I'm Brit-ish and cause of that, I'm Liberal.  12:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

It is possible we could just remove them. Like you said they don't serve much purpose to the plot.

Remove them from the DTA or the entire story?-- Agent Johnson |  I'm Brit-ish and cause of that, I'm Liberal.  13:06, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

From Darktan's Army. Nothing has really been done with them, and they aren't even that cool anyways.

The Possible Great Darktonian Pie War Cover


Well, this is what I've been working on for the past few days. Before making it the official cover though, I wanted to see if anyone liked it.

A question?
When will this project actually begin? So far, we haven't really discussed anything about the plot, and very few people have actually left a message on this page. If it's because of school, then I can understand, but hopefully we can start discussing the Pie War plot soon, and I really hope this doesn't become another abandoned project.
 * I'm still in. Do you want my two pence? Well, make sure we can get as many characters in as possible but make sure they stick to the main plot. So, have a character pop his head out of a Pie Tank, even as minor as that but don't have him make it fly and destroy some Darktonian space station as that isn't vital to the plot. Just remember, stick to the main plot.


 * As for the plot, we should think about. For the Second Act, I was thinking of starting to have Kwiksilver and Co. preparing for the final battle against Darktan, the rest of the actual main battle and a joint Darktonian-STINC siege of South Pole City to cut off the Good Guys from their supplies and Ternville in an event to destroy the Narrator's Organ (little do they know that it would end everything) with the event being unable to rollback thanks to the Bureau of Entropy.


 * Third act, Kwiksilver, Luce and The Kernel keep on going, Shroomsky's force is badly losing due to no supplies, whether it be food, water, pies, whatever. However the Siege of South Pole City and Ternville ends after High Penguin forces are able to help the defenders drive away the Darktonians and the Skydalian Air Force (along with Kanta Penguin forces) also arrives are able to drive away the Ternville invasion. Shroomsky is reinforced and the battle strongly turns in the Good Guy's favour. The Good Guys soon surround Darktan's last forces and eventually fight through them to get to Darktan. Final battle happens, all over, blah blah blah, Str00del Force gets Province of Pastry, Murphy: The Fall and Rise of Darktan takes place in which Darktan II retakes the Province of Pastry.


 * That's my opinion, which is sticking strongly with the original plot. As for the Kanta Penguin thing... well I'm just trying to keep Tidalwave's memory alive :).-- 15:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

That's actually a pretty good idea. I think this will be the new official plot. The first act will mostly be like how I described it somewhere up in this page, with the Magma Puffle being defeated at the end. Also, I'm still going to have the fight with Metal Explorer take place, and I think it'll happen at the begining of the third act. It won't be to long, and basically Darktan just sends Metal Explorer out to fight the good guy army to buy some time so he can transform into the Maledict. Nice to see we're finally getting somewhere with this story.

Just a clarification - Kwiksilver was never actually in the Good Guys, offically. He was just a minor character who arrived in the nick of time with some Banana Blasters but he got caught up in the story. I think we should keep it as Shroomsky preparing with the army because nobody really cared about Kwiksilver until he helped defeat the Magma Puffle so the audience shouldn't either.

Otherwise, I like this plot that Johnson proposes. Go ahead men :) I'm working on Wikia Catastrophe, don't worry.--Sir Kwiksilver of TARDIS- Gordon Freechtman! What are you working on!   05:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Nice idea Kwik. Also, I'm currently working on some updated pictures for the pie war, and they'll each include quite a lot of characters. If there's a character you want to appear in a picture, please tell me.

Gallery
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