Talk:Penstubal

Feel free to talk to me! -- Pen stubal   15:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

You want to be a liason officer between the EPF and the SIA? If so, go for it.  Wanna Talk?   13:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

This article is on the verge of being an LQA. It needs fixing. -- Bro  Talk to me! 18:54, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

You're not related to Snowstormer anymore? LAAAAAAAAAAME   C  K   Sysop  17:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)


 * cats wanted to change it so we're not brothers like 3 years ago (despite my wishes for us to stay) but he never did it so I decided to do it myself -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 19:40, 26 February 2018 (UTC)


 * when you're so bad that you get retconned out of your own family tree -- Chill57181     Talk    Contributions    My Articles    21:08, 26 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Also "Making my last name my nickname"? I wonder where you got that idea from hmm   C  K   Sysop  21:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

About the pronunciation: if spoken quickly, does it half-rhyme with the name of the painter Constable?  Penguinpuffdude   It's time for a chat, no?    05:47, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I think it does half-rhyme with Constable. Not entirely sure. I'm still trying to find out whether the 'bal' sound is 'bʌl' or 'bəl' like in Constable. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:49, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Downgrade to HQA?
I have to be honest, in its current state this article really doesn't seem like an UQA to me. Yeah, it has plenty of content, but as we know UQAs are about quality rather than quantity, and I have several issues with the quality here. A character UQA shouldn't leave you with more questions about the character once you're done reading it, but unfortunately that's what's happened here. The article is confusing to read, and important details about Penstubal are left hiding in different articles when they should be mentioned here. Therefore, I suggest that this article either be downgraded to an HQA, or the article needs to undergo major rewrites to eliminate confusion and better integrate more recently added aspects of Penstubal's character. --Chill57181 (Talk - <font color = "EAA000">Contributions )  02:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It is incredibly hard tounderstand when events are supposed to take place, because it often just doesn't mention when those events happened. When it does give a timeframe, it also often switches from the year to instead what age Penstubal would be when those events occurred, which forces the reader to calculate what year it would be - but that doesn't entirely help either since Penstubal's birthday is about halfway through the year.
 * Events that you would think would be important to Penstubal as a character are either barely mentioned in his biography section or glossed over entirely.
 * It's never explained how Penstubal meets Chill and Penquino and immediately skips to him already knowing (and hating) them. It also doesn't explain why he even hates them - there is an explanation for this by the way, but it's only mentioned on the Penstubal Post's article.
 * Penstubal's wife Scrubette also isn't mentioned a single time in his biography. She's only mentioned briefly in the article's opening and given two sentences in the relationships section. Consequentially, this means we don't learn how they meet or when they get married. Once again, these events do have canonical explanations, but you have to go to Scrubette's page to read them.
 * Bobbie Wood and Jolly Timmy, despite seemingly being characters who only exist to be Penstubal's friends, aren't mentioned at all, instead being relegated to the relationships section. Actually, the biography directly contradicts their existence, portraying Penstubal in his teen years as a loner with no friends.
 * Despite its importance to Penstubal's character, the Penstubal Post is only mentioned in a single paragraph when it is established, but also doesn't actually say when it was established.
 * Continuity changes, which are made frequently with Penstubal's articles, usually end up not being included here despite the fact that they affect Penstubal the character. Changes that do end up making their way here are often very sloppy. For example, this sentence: "The four people, whom he would call the "The Mischievous Duo" or "Two Lame Dodos", would prank him almost every week." This sentence originally referred to Chill, Penquino, Ed, and Mario before the latter two were removed. Yet it still mentions four people, before going on to say that there's only two in the exact same sentence. I believe this is where most of the issues with this article stem from; ignored continuity changes lead to confusing timelines and newer characters like Jolly Timmy or Scrubette being ignored in the bulk of the article, resulting in those details feeling hastily tacked on in other sections.
 * This is more of a personal nitpick than a major issue, but the article doesn't seem to know at what point in time its point of view is from. The narration usually seems to take place at some ambiguous time in the future where everything relevant to Penstubal's character has already happened, but slips out of this very early in the article when it calls Salt and the City his most notable work "so far". It might happen at other points too, I'm not sure.


 * In addition to what Chill has pointed out, Penstubal's involvement in the Fanon Character Gang would make him a Bureau of Fiction worker, which also makes him a fourth wall breaker. It is also never described how or why he got into the Fanon Character Gang to begin with if he isn't either of these things. The article also doesn't cover any relationships Penstubal developed with the members of the Fanon Character Gang. Of course this history is all practically ancient for Penstubal's character, or Patrick Tea as he was called back then, but still canon nonetheless. --Mario Rk UBER-Kermit.svg 04:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Continuity isn't getting much better as other articles are ventured into. The Penstubal Post article states that articles against the Bureau of Fiction were published. Now of course it doesn't explicitly say Penstubal wrote the articles bashing the BoF, but it's still interesting to note when everyone Penstubal knew from the Fanon Character Gang would've been a BoF member to begin with. --Mario Rk UBER-Kermit.svg 05:40, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree that the issues you have pointed out are, for the most part, indeed issues, and I will work on fixing them in the days ahead, in particular this weekend, as I have to rewrite a lot of stuff in order for it all to be aligned with my new story. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 19:11, 15 November 2019 (UTC)