Help talk:Completely Demote TurtleShroom

 THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE REVOLUTION.

NEVER AGAIN WILL YOU SLAVE UNDER THE TYRANNY OF TURTLESHROOM'S EVIL, OPPRESSIVE, UNCARING, CRUEL REGIME.

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY.

TS: What this demotion is
[[image:Great_purge.png|left|thumb|215px|All punishments must be equal; an admin shall be banned the same amount of time as a regular user who did the same exact thing.

''' In the real world, the first thing that Stalin- who claimed to be a Leftist/Marxist excercising the will of the people -did when he took power was kill all dissidents. Without opposition, his plans moved forward without any pesky opinion get in his way. ''']]

Sancho, Swiss Ninja, and those against me, you can't remvoe this becuause of my "freedom of speech" and all that crap.

"On the outside it's all "YAY! EQUALITY!", but on the inside, it's all corruption, selfish-motives, hypocritical thoughts and backstabbing."

- Sheepman

Friends, I just wanted to let you know what this petition is. Think before you vote.


 * This is the only fact: this petition is a call for complete demotion of TurtleShroom all the way down to Patroller (see AJ's comment). Please read on for opinions.


 * It is a backstabbing attempt to get rid of TurtleShroom once and for all so that, now and forever, he can't halt any reform on this wiki.
 * It is a disregard of TurtleShroom's tireless efforts, day in and day out, building this wiki and working hard to help make it what it is today.
 * It is a spit in the face to the purpose of the entitlements. The entitlements were meant to protect all users, not destroy those who disagree. Triskelle said that the entitlements were not a coup. Way to lie. What ever happened to the right to opinion? All the leftists seem to hate my brutal, zealous conservatism. Their only solution is to render me powerless and without any say.
 * It is blatant disrespect to TurtleShroom and his years of contributing.
 * It is corrupt and an abusive use of fresh site doctrine created by the very people who wanted to purify site governance.
 * It is dishonest and ingrateful. Apparently, years of seniority and twelve thousand edits mean absolutely nothing to these people who can't even hold a candle towards TurtleShroom's work.
 * It is a product of jealousy and hatred. TurtleShroom adopted Johnfrum Island and Nuke Island and expanded them to quality articles. Swiss Ninja had one heck of a tantrum. He took the Finnipines, which started as nothing except a stubbed infobox that wasn't even fully written, and made it into an HQA. When it was adopted by TurtleShroom, it was still primarily incomplete. Sancho sure did whine about TurtleShroom practicing the wiki spirit and making an article better, completely within the rules.

Now, look at the actions of Swiss Ninja and Sanchonachos. Then, look at TurtleShroom and all he's done for this wiki. Do you really want to allow these ungrateful men to destroy TurtleShroom simply because they are angry that he did something to their stub LQA articles.

THIS, my friends, is the face of the other side.

-- † TurtleShroom ™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! †    :)  :)    STROM THURMOND     †          †       Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?    ――–    ―――――      20:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Totally agreed. SN, YOU DISGUST ME. I'm sorry, but you do. --Austin8310 Bow ties are COOL. 20:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sadly, You disgust me too Austin. BTW, i'm feeling really guilty about this. :( I think that picture is really cute...Aw i am so going to regret this.... --Swiss Ninja Signature.png User Talk SN.png 00:26, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Sancho
Fellow users, I have witnessed many crimes of this user, TS, who many of us here hold deeply as a kind, thughtful and very committed user, yet, I would like to share with you some of his dastardly crimes that he himself has committed. Firstly, TurtleShroom has striked out the FOURTH amendment regarding power abuse without ANY consent from the community whatsoever. This user has utilized power abuse and is self-glorifying himself as a the dictator of this wiki.It was not his obligation to cross out that amendment, and in fact, it was only Swiss Ninja who notified me on the topic.

Secondly, TurtleShroom has denounced our new laws as communist, and is simply placing his agenda towards the wiki. The way in which the laws were promoted by TS were fashioned in a communistic way. Like in the above paragraph, he is still placing his agenda on the wiki, by calling them communist which reflects his views on it. Tell me, fellow users, is this the Club Penguin Fanon or a fascist dictatorship. This person has said that we are in betterhands with him. But, now it does not seem like so.

XTUX
Well, I'm not that good at speaches, but here it goes.

Anways, a lot of us know that for a long time now TurtleShroom has been executing extreme power abuse (such as the above examples given by Sancho), needless censorship, demotions and bannings. There's probally even crimes that he has commited that I do not know about, but I am entirely sure of the extreme power abuse and extreme bias. This often gets in the way of proper logic and moral judgement, and TurtleShroom is known to outright refuse any opposition, often using extreme measures to take them down. Not to mention that he often bans needlessly, such as in the Noezma and Phill episode, Pride and Modesty (though that time it was partially my fault), and other well known incidents. In my eyes there are two great evils that censorship can commit. One is a complete or almost complete lack of censorship, such as in A Brave New World. The alternative is Nineteen Eighty-Four, where censorship has gone rampant, censoring everything needlessly due to the censor's personal appagenda and not only for the sake of the common good. Even now our wiki dangerously approaches "Nineteen Eighty-Four", and TurtleShroom is behind it. Under him our wiki is also becomming dangerously close to a dictatorship, as almost the entire wiki seems to revolve around TurtleShroom, and less focus is placed on the other users and their works. While he is a nice fellow and I would consider him a friend of mine, I would say that he has been given too much power for him to handle and has gone power crazy, and one way to remedy this is to remove that which he cannot handle.

DustyOS
Well I think Sancho and XTUX have pretty much said every thing already. Unless there are acts which TS did that we do not know about. Which I strongly believe. I would never hesitate to demote TS from his high position as it where. I think personally that he is a scare crow to all new users. When I first came on the wiki I had some ideas I was quite fond of doing. But as Sancho said, its all on his agenda. Thus, because he did not like it, I could no longer do it. I have seen similar acts to other users such as XTUX ect. Though his discretion is, at times, handy in some cases. But as XTUX and Sancho have strongly stated, "Hes gone to far" which, of course I believe to be true. I do not think the CPFW can take any more of this toddling. I thought this place was a place to create,enjoy and role play. TS, you have changed this in a more then necessary way.

Refractor
I'm not for demotion, just my 2 cents on this issue.

The main probably with TS is that he IS the policy. If he doesn't want association with you because you did something in IRL, B&.

As you can see, I like short. -- refractor  welcome to I N C E P T I O N  14:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Agent Johnson
Where to start? Oh yes. I was banned for saying an American swear which isn't considered a swear in Europe and therefore, I had no right to defend myself. I should had been given warning. There have been other instances of power abuse like promoting users without community support/consensus and deleting articles without going through Requests for Deletion. Only articles which directly break policy may be speedily deleted. And who can forget the time when I tried to introduce reform? Like the mass-demotion spree (boy, I was hated for that). I was blocked, unblocked, demoted, blocked, unblocked, demoted and so fourth. It's too risky to give him Sysopship in my opinion; make him a Patroller.

For

 * I support this, as it is true, sad as though it may seem.--XTUX345: "May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose! May an elephant caress you with his toes!" 22:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * --DustyOS: 11:20, March 16 2011 (UTC)
 * Boingy boingy boingity boing. DIRECTOR BENNY FOR THE NEXT SMASH BROS. Sparkpin out. 18:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * -- Sanchonachos Being Liberal Rocks!  14:25, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Zone 21:36, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry TS. I promise and swear, I have legitimate reason, unlike SN and Sancho who are doing it out of spite.-- Agent Johnson |  I'm Brit-ish and cause of that, I'm Liberal.  21:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on TS' reaction on the IRC just moments ago, I have changed my mind to demote TS. -- ClubPenguinMaster Ask for assistance 22:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I am really sorry i had to do this too TS. I really didn't want to. You're a great user and make great articles. Remember that. --Swiss Ninja Signature.png User Talk SN.png 00:23, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * TS, you are a great editor and a great friend, but you don't handle power well. -- Triskelle3 Talk to me! 00:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Against

 * Rehabilitation not punishment. -- refractor  welcome to I N C E P T I O N 09:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No. He, along with Explorer, practically built this wiki. -- THE SHEEP!  | FIGHTTHEPOWER!  [[File:Crazy sheep.gif]] ( Stuff I did and stuff ) 16:13, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Who was the idiot that proposed this crap? -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      20:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * YOU MADMEN. --Austin8310 Bow ties are COOL. 20:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't even think of it.--12yz12ab 20:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Completely baseless, irrelevant, odious antagonism. You're bringing up a topic that was never meant to be brought up, and are using Triskelle's good and honest campaign as an excuse to have it displayed.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 ( <span title="*waves finger*">Smoking... is not allowed.  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   •  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  21:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I will admit, TS has made some mistakes during his leadership (some major and some minor), but I don't think he deserves to be demoted because of it. After all, he's done a lot for this wiki as others have said. -- Speed dasher

Neutral

 * Whatever he has done and despite me giving evidence against him, I shall not vote against a friend. This will tear up friendships and I do not wish for that to happen to me. I will enforce, cleaning up flame wars but taking little role in the debate.-- Agent Johnson |  I'm Brit-ish and cause of that, I'm Liberal.  17:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Same. He does a lot for me, e.g. prays for my family - and although most of the stuff is true I can't stab him in the back. I think that he atleast should get a chance to amend his ways. -- [[Image:Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG]] ¤   (  User page! ) (  Somebody tell'em I run dis ting! ) 19:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sometimes TS' actions are a load of crap, but then again, he is confident in other users


 * BRILLIANT user. Not so good admin. I'll leave this up to everyone else.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 ( <span title="*waves finger*">Smoking... is not allowed.  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   •  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  01:14, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments
"All punishments must be equal; an admin shall be banned the same amount of time as a regular user who did the same exact thing."

Tell me, Swissy and Sancho: would you do the same thing to any other admin? --TS


 * I crossed out that amendment on EXPLORER'S REQUEST, ingrate. -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      20:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I would have to agree 100% of this idea. Its time, I saw right into TS the very first time I met him. Wasn't a nice site to be honest. DustyOS

TurtleShroom, don't get me wrong, you are one of the best editors, a good friend, and an altogether great user, but just not the best leader. --<font face="Gabriola" color ="green"> Triskelle3 <span title="Yous should click here - it's class, like.">Talk to me! 14:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

He's not a leader. He's a crat. -- <font face="Stencil" color ="FFBA00"><span title="My page. No touchie!">THE SHEEP!  |<font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"> FIGHTTHEPOWER!   ( Stuff I did and stuff ) 19:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd also like to point out that you guys are acting like ungrateful backstabbers. Without TS, this wiki would't be half the thing it is today. Without TS, the wiki would have taken much longer to move, or not done it at all. Without TS, most of us wouldn't be here.

And you manage to "forget" all that in the face of what looks suspicously like a large plot to enforce your own political beliefs onto the wiki as a whole.

But you'll never get me. Never ever. Propoganda cannot sway me. Bans cannot hold me. Odds cannot discourage me. Do what you like. I serve no earthly being, and it's gonna stay that way. The only principles I'll adhere to are those of Sheepism.

My thoughts are untouchable.

-- <font face="Stencil" color ="FFBA00"><span title="My page. No touchie!">THE SHEEP!  |<font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"> FIGHTTHEPOWER!   ( Stuff I did and stuff ) 20:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Even if TurtleShroom HAS done good in the past, he has caused much harm lately, which we cannot ignore.--XTUX345: "May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose! May an elephant caress you with his toes!" 20:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

You cannot ignore that, but you willfully ignore years of good? Pfft. This whole corruption accusation is a tad hypocritical. -- <font face="Stencil" color ="FFBA00"><span title="My page. No touchie!">THE SHEEP!  |<font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"> FIGHTTHEPOWER!   ( Stuff I did and stuff ) 20:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Swiss Ninja, this article sickens me. You are a corrupt, impure man. To you, all of that rights crap wasn't about making the wiki better. It was about securing the ability to demote me. With your right to petition, you KNEW I couldn't delete this! You had an ulterior motive and an agenda this entire time. Didn't I warn each and every one of you that this would happen? Didn't I say that these rights were being created to cripple and eventually remove me from power? Didn't I tell you not to change? Didn't I tell you this would happen? Was I not aware that people were trying to wipe me off the site through this? I'd delete this, but unlike Swiss Ninja, I am actually honest enough to do the right thing and not delete it. I wish you could say the same. I happen to respect other people and the will of the Masses. After all I've done for you and after all I have supported you, Swiss Ninja, I'd expect a little more respect from you. I hope you sleep at night, Swiss Ninja. You had no intention to fix the wiki with these rights, you just voted yes because I adopted a few of your articles and happened to be in charge. Sancho, the only reason you're doing this is because I seized the Finnipines. Just to show you what I can do, I might consider using my new entitlements to outst the current pure corporation's government and put in something so nightmarishly corrupt that Explorer XII has to flee the country. Then, in a quest to free the innocent Finnipinos, the United States of Antarctica will occupy the country and I can parody the Phillipines' occupation. However, this is considered, and probably won't happen. I just hope that you are able to live with your corruption after this. Remember, folks, I never did anything like this! You wanted change, and now you have it. -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      20:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC) <BR /> <BR />

Shame on both of you, ESPECIALLY for not handling things in a DIPLOMATIC, CIVIL MANNER and instead turning to this idiotic antagonism!  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 ( <span title="*waves finger*">Smoking... is not allowed.  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   •  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  21:21, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Everyone needs to calm down a little, and look at this. Everyone. -- <font face="Stencil" color ="FFBA00"><span title="My page. No touchie!">THE SHEEP!  |<font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"> FIGHTTHEPOWER!  [[File:Crazy sheep.gif]] ( Stuff I did and stuff ) 21:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I find it unnecessary to stripe TS' rights although I do agree that TS does have one or two faults. TS has helped the wiki greatly and I hope fanon will get even better. I will stand neutral and will not vote for this. --<font face="Calibri"> ClubPenguinMaster Ask for assistance 21:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * TURTLESHROOM: How dare you call me a liar! I intended for these policies to be used for GOOD of EVERYONE, not to demote you! But my honest campaign was twisted into this. I must distinguish myself from everyone else, and I have legitimate reasons for voting. --<font face="Gabriola" color ="green"> Triskelle3 <span title="Yous should click here - it's class, like.">Talk to me! 22:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Current Standings

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TOTAL VOTES: 18