Talk:2018 Delphi Western Union Summit

PLEASE DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING PROPOSALS HERE. VOTING ENDS ON 24 FEBRUARY - CONSENSUS MUST BE REACHED ON ALL VOTES. EVERY SINGLE MEMBER STATE HAS A VETO RIGHT AND AN OPT OUT RIGHT.

All proposals except for anthem proposal and green energy proposal will not go into effect until a date has been agreed upon by all members.

Only Western Union members may vote, but anybody on Fanon can participate in the discourse. Users with voting privilege are Penstubal (United Provinces), Brant (Acadia), Ninjinian (Terra Federation), Mr Cow2 (Caseusopolis), SlenderXP (Margate), Wikipenguino45 (Tropicalis), Wonderweez (Margate, Amataria), Amigopen (Amataria) and Nicktang (Margate). Each country has a right to veto any proposal they don't like - if a country is shared between two and more users all those users sharing it must agree in order for the proposal to be vetoed.

CLARIFICATION: All member states have the right to veto any proposals they do not like once they pass. They also have a right to opt out of having it implemented in their country instead of vetoing it, which would be even easier and more functional for other member states. Some countries have already used opt-outs, particularly on Western Union currency.

Citizenship (+3) (PASSED)
Western Union citizenship is something that had been on everybody’s minds for a long time and it is nothing to fear - Western Union citizenship just means that if you are a citizen of one of the member countries you are a Western Union citizen too, and it gives you extra rights such as the right to move and live anywhere in the Union, the right to become a candidate for Western Parliamentary elections in any country of the Union, and more.

Western Union citizenship is nothing to be afraid of and it brings the states closer together and makes them more powerful and united. Now every citizen of each country can brag about being a Western Union citizen as well. And for the record, I will repeat once again - you do not lose citizenship in your country. Losing your national sovereignty is not going to happen and there's nothing to be afraid of in there.

It's about time we moved forth with this proposal I proposed last year. This proposal is essential for the survival of the Western Union as it is in its current form and will foster more unity among the users. I would also like to note that this movement is not even as close as radical as it might seem and that proposals such as a joint WU currency and a WU army were much, much more radical and effect people's lives much, much more. Please discuss the proposal in the comment section and don't be afraid to say what you are afraid of, just please don't vote for the reason of "I don't know".

Thank you.

For (3)

 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 14:21, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 17:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) --Mr Cow2 (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Passports (+4) (PASSED)


I would like to propose that the inscription WESTERN UNION be added on the passports of each member state, just like the passport of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has an inscription that says EUROPEAN UNION. A pretty simple move that is not too costly. Should a member state decide to activate the 6-month process of leaving the Western Union, the passports can be easily modified not to include the WESTERN UNION inscription anymore.

This would make our passports more prestigious and also notify people outside of our union that we are part of this union and that we are in it together and we are powerful and stand strong and united. It would be even greater if it came along with Western Union citizenship as citizens would have something to be proud of and something to additionally prove their identity.

For (4)

 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 14:21, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 17:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) --Mr Cow2 (talk) 23:41, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 4) --WP logo new.png Wikipen guino45  (Talk ) (Contribs ) ( Articles ) 09:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Western Pipeline (+2) (FAILED: Veto by United Provinces)
It is time that an oil pipeline be made that will go throughout all Western Union countries and will be for WU members only. This oil pipeline would effectively make our countries independent of any foreign, particularly Shopper, oil pipeline and influence. Let us work together for an oil pipeline whose source will be the oil-rich Puffepelago and will go throughout all out 7 Western Union nations and possibly even to Candvia and Duck Island once they become members, if they do. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 20:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

For (2)

 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 20:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 17:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Abstain (2)

 * 1) --WP logo new.png Wikipen guino45  (Talk ) (Contribs ) ( Articles ) 12:22, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --Mr Cow2 (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Comments

 * Wouldn't this go against a topic below which calls for more eco-friendly choices? --Mr Cow2 (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The Shops Pipeline only stops in the UP out of WU nations, so maybe this would be beneficial, but extremely expensive too (Their pipeline cost 50 Billion WB$). It'd cost significantly more if it were to go all the way across Antarctica to Cheesopolis too, than without Cheesopolis (sorry I never know how to spell it so Cheesopolis it is). It "gives the countries (UP) oil for dirt cheap, under the condition that they all have Shops' back in a war, as well as the condition that all countries will conduct tariff-free trade with Shops Island", so I'm not sure why the UP population would want a WU pipeline at all that they'd have to pay for and would be less beneficial to them than the Shops pipeline, but that's up to you. I'm sure all the other WU countries could get oil too from trading and imports from Shops, without being too far under their "influence".   C  K   Sysop  00:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The United Provinces would leave the Shops Pipeline and will ship its own oil from the Puffepelago to all other Western Union nations. It could be very costly indeed, which is why the idea is still being debated. Also, that quote is exactly one of the reasons why we should be independent from them - The Island will cut out oil for not supporting them in a war and that will destroy our economies. We must be independent from them as soon as possible. That being said, Wiki proposed to me that we switch to alternative energy sources that are already in use in Tropicalis such as wind power, solar power and more so we could do that instead. Additionally the United Provinces is considering building its very first ever nuclear power plant near the city of Doriath. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 17:54, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * What I find helps is splitting the word up into three parts. Ca-seus-opolis. Probably the hardest part is remembering whether the e or the u comes first. Hope this helps. --Mr Cow2 (talk) 00:03, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * For me it is just caseus-o-polis because I'm an advanced Latin learner and caseus means cheese in Latin -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 12:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Western Union Highway Numbering System (+2) (PASSED)
The real life European Union has a numbering system for all roads called International E-road network. This thing exists in the United States as well and I think it would be a good way to integrate our nations even closely together by implementing this numbering system. Our numbering system would be called the International W-road network. All the numbers would look exactly like they do IRL in Europe, only light blue with a W instead of green with an E. This is a nice touch to our union and it does not affect too much. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 20:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

For (2)

 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 20:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 17:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Abstain (2)

 * 1) --WP logo new.png Wikipen guino45  (Talk ) (Contribs ) ( Articles ) 12:22, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --Mr Cow2 (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Western Union Space Agency (WUSA) (+3) (PASSED)
There is a real intergovernmental organization in real life called the European Space Agency. Let's just say it's basically the European NASA. I believe it should be created for the Western Union as well in order to further space exploration and colonization of other planets, something the United Provinces are already deeply involved in. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:15, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

For (3)

 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --WP logo new.png Wikipen guino45  (Talk ) (Contribs ) ( Articles ) 12:22, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 17:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Abstain (1)

 * 1) --Mr Cow2 (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Switch to Greener Energy Alternatives (+2) (PASSED)
It would be a renewable, overall healthier and more eco-friendly. Member states could work together to introduce greener alternatives to coal and oil factories and agree to reduce pollution levels.

For (2)

 * 1) --WP logo new.png Wikipen guino45  (Talk ) (Contribs ) ( Articles ) 15:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) --Mr Cow2 (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Abstain (1)

 * 1) --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 17:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

End the Western Union as a Military Alliance (+2) (VETO)
The Western Union should no longer be recognized as a military alliance - instead, it would be a politico-economic organization and an organization called Western Union Defence Treaty (WUDT) will be a branch of it which all members should join. The Western Union Army that is being worked on will be a part of that branch. This will enable our member states to cooperate easier and to let us focus on more important non-military issues on Western Union summits and instead save military issues for specific WUMA summits.

This will also make it so each state effectively has no obligation to defend one another unless they choose to join the Western Union Defence Treaty. This is done so as to prevent the Union from completely falling apart should one nation go to war and another one disagree with going to war. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 14:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

For (3)

 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 14:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 2) -- SlenderXP  Talk to me   15:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * 3) --WP logo new.png Wikipen guino45  (<span title="Let's talk!">Talk ) (<span title="I have edits!">Contribs ) ( Articles ) 19:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Against (1)

 * 1) --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 00:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Abstain (0)

 * 1) --Mr Cow2 (talk) 00:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Comments

 * It sounds like a good idea but I will oppose it because Acadia would probably not be here today if it weren't for Western Union protection during the crisis with the United States of Antarctica. Acadia survived because all members were united together to protect one of their own. If the WU were to give its members an opt out option of protecting its own members, that gives more powerful countries the excuse to pick us off one by one over divided loyalties. For example, if only the UP stood by Acadia during that crisis, Acadia might not be a country anymore since we can't take on the United States of Antarctica alone. I will change my vote if someone can convince me with a good enough explanation, but for now I must vote against. --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 00:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Western Union Anthem Contest (ON HOLD)
What our Union lacks is an anthem - something real life European Union has and something which is important to every such well integrated organization. I've decided to hold a Western Union anthem contests - you can propose anthems by putting ===(anthem name here)===, state why you believe it should be anthem and then vote. Rules - must have a good message and a meaning, cannot be a modern pop or rock song. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Do You Hear The People Sing? / À La Volonté Du Peuple (1)
Truly thrilling peace of music. It comes directly from the musical Les Misérables, which, in turn, is based on the book by French Romantic author Victor Hugo, one of the greatest poets, novelists and dramatists in the history of literature across the world. You can hear the instrumental version of the song here. You can find the English version with lyrics here and the French, in my opinion much better and much more suitable to be our anthem thanks to its lyrics, here.

Regardless of whether it is in English or in French, it is a great anthem. "Do You Hear The People Sing?" is quite simple. The scene the song is from is the scene when the failed 1832 revolution begins in Paris. It calls for a revolution and for the people "to join in a crusade" to bring revolution to France, the country the musical and the book are set in, in order to change the awful living and working conditions in the country at the time.

The French version is much more delicate and better, however, and has a much bigger vocabulary and a lot more lyrics. The translation of the title of the song is "To the will of the people". I believe both songs, especially the French version, would send a clear message to the international community that the Western Union is a force to be reckoned with and that the will of its people is stronger than that of impoverished authoritarian imperialist regimes. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Ode to Joy / Ode an die Freude (0)
Alternatively, we could take the real life anthem of the European Union, Ode to Joy. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)