Club Penguin Fanon Wiki:Demote Wonderweez

Wonderweez is an inactive administrator in accordance to the Rights and Inactivity Policy. He hasn't made a single mainspace edit since August and has been absent from IRC for the last 2 months. If this vote is successful, then he won't be greatly impacted because he will remain a staffer. I believe with his current schedule as his studies continue to intensify that this is for the best, especially given that he can be summoned when necessary. --Mario Rk

Demote Wonderweez (+4)

 * Vote will end November 24

For (7)

 * 1) Mario Rk UBER-Kermit.svg 22:37, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) --Chill57181 (Talk - Contributions )  23:22, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 3)  Penguinpuffdude Hiking.png  It's time for a chat, no?    05:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 4) --RealMax 16:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)RealMax
 * 5) -- SlenderXP  Talk to me   03:19, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 6) Good luck wherever you are. --Mr Cow2 (talk) 05:44, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 7) --WP logo new.png Wikipen guino45  (Talk ) (Contribs ) ( Articles ) 10:53, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Against (3)

 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 22:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 2) --Brant (Talk) (Contributions) 22:58, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 3) --QP.png Quackerpingu   (Talk)   (Contributions)  07:11, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 4)  Penguinpuffdude Hiking.png  It's time for a chat, no?    07:57, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Neutral (0)

 * 1) -- SlenderXP  Talk to me   13:54, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Comments/Discussion

 * Admins should at least be active enough to edit the wiki of their own volition, and right now it seems that Wonder isn't in that position. I think he's a great staffer, and if his schedule is really as air-tight as it seems with no signs of improving, I think we'll all benefit from this small change. --Mario Rk UBER-Kermit.svg 22:37, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't believe any of the four administrators we have right now can pride themselves on being active or even slightly active, and I believe it would be hypocritical to target specifically Wonderweez with that accusation. Asides from that, he regularly browses the Wiki and I talk to him about wiki matters fairly often, and while under normal circumstances that wouldn't be an acceptable excuse to use, in our situation where we have barely any active users I'd say it is. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 22:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * First of all, you can't say that any of our admins aren't "even slightly active"; CK and Ed at least make edits, have an IRC presence, and are easily reachable through there or talk page. The fact that Wonder didn't hide the vandalism revisions from a few weeks ago until 3 days later, and only after I asked CK to contact him to do it, is pretty telling and casts a lot of doubt on him regularly browsing the wiki in my mind. You can discuss wiki matters off-site all you want, but he's effectively vanished from the wiki and IRC. While I agree that some of our admins can be excused from the Inactivity Policy because of wiki-wide inactivity, admins shouldn't be among the wiki's most inactive users. Before Wonder effectively disappeared, I only saw him drop by IRC a few times after school started and every time he apologized for being too busy to come around (and he's only made one actual edit since then, which was about a staff matter related to Shops). Obviously there's nothing wrong with focusing on your education, but if you don't have the time to actually serve in your position, then you don't need it. There's a reason we have an Inactivity Policy. Also, keep in mind that Wonder's staff, so he keeps all the fancy buttons regardless, which I believe is why this vote is focusing solely on him. Note that what he's done on this wiki since early August was purely in capacity as a staffer, so effectively nothing changes. --Chill57181 (Talk - Contributions )  23:22, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * What makes me a little upset/suspicious about this is that there are ways of contacting me that you knew about, or simply didn't capitalize on. CK has a direct line of communication, and if not my e-mail feature is enabled as I have said when QP needed help. Why wait 3 days to ask for help when this was an urgent situation? -  Wonderweez  ( Talk · Contribs ) 21:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Calm down man, write in separate paragraphs.
 * CK and EDFan are not that active as you say they are, and IRC presence means nothing anymore when the IRC is basically dead as well (the reason I stopped coming on in the first place). Besides, I do stand by what I said that Wonderweez does see the Wiki often, but he is indeed busy, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I understand the point of the Inactivity policy for administrators, but again, we are in a different time than we were just a year ago, and I believe that him having the position he has does no harm to the community, and besides, him having the position serves as some kind of checks-and-balances for the rest of the administration.
 * We are not in a time when we're a bustling, active community in need of some heavy administration anymore. Besides, I think that this vote has quickly spiraled into nothing more than anger at Wonderweez for daring to have a life. This guy is one of our oldest users and is by far one of our greatest users and his role in peacekeeping on the wiki and trying to make sure everybody has a good time is commendable - with all the best words one can possibly think of. He deserves the title he has now - the fact that he will not lose his powers simply because of the fact he will remain staffer means nothing, because he was elected to be an admin. I can not, in my good conscience, vote for taking away this guy's well-deserved position because he also wants to work on his real life self. He loves the Wiki, most certainly, but that doesn't mean he should put Fanon above his real life, and neither should you. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 23:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * At least CK and Ed are actually around, meanwhile Wonder might as well not be here. Yeah, IRC doesn't really matter that much in the grand scheme of things, but it's still an extension of the wiki and shows that those users actually have the time to be around and can be contacted. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Wonder having a life and I made that clear in my comment. That being said, if an admin is too busy to edit the wiki to the point where they can't even come around and participate, they don't need that position. You had no problem supporting the demotions of Bro and ULSK for the same reasons two years ago. There's no reason to keep inactive admins around just because they "earned" a title, otherwise countless users who haven't edited in years would still be admins. This is why we have an Inactivity Policy in the first place, and you're using the exact same logic TurtleShroom used to oppose the creation of that policy. I'd like to remind you that Bro immediately resigned when he knew he wouldn't have enough time to actively edit the wiki anymore. Also, I don't see how Wonder being an admin provides "checks-and-balances for the rest of the administration" when he's not even here to participate in administrative affairs. --Chill57181 (Talk - Contributions )  23:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to vote since I haven't been around in years, but here's my insight. I don't really see a point to this. It's almost 2020. Club Penguin hasn't existed for nearly 3 years and there aren't many of us left. Why go through all of this tension just to accomplish something that is nothing more than a pointless formality? Wonderweez losing or keeping his admin rights literally affects nothing considering he has staff rights. If the outcome will technically be the same regardless of how this vote goes, why even have the vote at all? It just seems pointless. -- Seahorseruler (Talk) (Contribs) 03:49, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You're not wrong on any of these points, and I didn't anticipate there would be too much tension because of that fact that more or less nothing is changing regardless of the outcome of this vote. In the past Wonder said if he ever fell into inactivity that he should just be demoted without a vote. I thought maybe doing things the "formal" way would be a good way to do that without stirring much trouble. Not to mention that he said that on IRC (?), after he was inactive for a long period of time around this same time last year. Overall, it probably is pointless for now. Even in these times I'd like to hope looking forward there is potential for there to be more because in a weird way to me, Club Penguin Fanon has transcended Club Penguin. --Mario Rk UBER-Kermit.svg 06:07, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Obviously this is a revenge attempt because he unblocked me on Shops. --QP.png Quackerpingu   (Talk)   (Contributions)  07:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably not. -  Wonderweez  ( Talk · Contribs ) 21:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I haven't been about in ages so idk if my vote even counts. Secondly, I haven't read all the arguments yet so idk if I've 100% made my mind/whether I'm justified in my position. Thirdly, I was going to abstain when I read Seahorseruler's point - which is why I'm against. Seriously: think about it: if Wonderweez loses his position, then there would be a battle for power, which has the potential for users to disagree with each other, and if more users disagree with each other, then what would eventually happen to the Wiki, in this state of semi-inactivity? People would, in all likeness, quit or become severely inactive, of course! That's just my 2 pence and I may change my mind later. <span title="Current status: In Search of Lost (Proustian) Time!"> Penguinpuffdude Hiking.png <span title="'Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent.' - Ludwig Wittgenstein"> It's time for a chat, no?    07:57, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * If there was an RFA to fill his position, which I don't think there should be considering the wiki's inactivity. --  C  K   Admin  11:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Ed has also said that he doesn't see a need for an RfA even if this passes, so there isn't going to be one or some sort of "battle for power" until activity reaches a level where another RfA is deemed necessary. With that being said, even if there was going to be an RfA I don't think worrying about possible drama stemming from it is a good reason to leave inactive admins promoted, no offense. --<font color = "FF8400">Chill57181 (<font color = "EAA000">Talk - <font color = "EAA000">Contributions )  17:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Just read through the "Admin" section of the Inactivity Policy; seeing how he can regain his rights if he really wants to pretty easily enough, that the RFA/battle for power will (fortunately) not take place, and that he does have a life outside the Wiki which doesn't need to be plagued by theoretical worries to stay active on the Wiki so he doesn't get called a "power abuser" or something, I've decided that the best option for us all would be to vote "Yes". <span title="Current status: In Search of Lost (Proustian) Time!"> Penguinpuffdude Hiking.png <span title="'Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent.' - Ludwig Wittgenstein"> It's time for a chat, no?    05:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The thing with regaining administrator powers is that he theoretically should be able to get them pretty easily enough, but in reality, especially if the administration is heavily divided along political (ideological) lines - and in my view it has ALWAYS been ever since TurtleShroom fell in 2015, even today kind of - it is not like that, it is pretty hard for them to regain administrator powers even if they are a neutral, productive, cooperative and truly deserving administrator like Wonderweez is, just /one/ administrator alone being biased towards a "faction" on the wiki is enough to cause trouble, to split up the administration and cause hostility between the administrators that would then spill over onto the wiki. That's why I, if I were a former administrator, would never rely on that policy even though it should logically lead to me getting my rights back (if I was an actual good administrator and am now willing to commit to it again) - partisan political divide. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 13:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, Weez has a life, he's too busy to come on IRC or edit. Like Chill said, if you don't have time to be an admin, then you don't need to be an admin. My stance on that hasn't changed much in a long time, from Tigernose on the CPW in 2012, to TS in 2015, to now. The fact that somebody "deserves" it doesn't have anything to do with it. Also, these days IRC is hardly used, but the point in bringing it up is that it's still part of the policy. It shows, like editing, if the user has any level of activity pertaining to the wiki. If he's only going to appear occasionally for staff-related things, when summoned, I don't see a point in him retaining admin rights; and if he would still be staff afterwards in case he needs to be summoned. Though I do take pride in being "slightly active", it feels somewhat hypocritical to vote at this time as inactivity has struck both the administration and the wiki as a whole, though I reserve my right to do so. I personally would have waited a bit longer to propose this, but inactive is still inactive, pretty clear cut in the policy nowadays. There's nothing wrong with him having a life and being busy, but I don't believe "deserving" it is a good enough reason to keep someone in a role they can't fill. --  C  K   Admin  11:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Another point about IRC is that yes, the channel is mostly inactive these days, but admins do still use it. I don't know how much Wonder talks to the other admins off-site, if at all, but as far as I can see he's not even around to provide his input on things. --<font color = "FF8400">Chill57181 (<font color = "EAA000">Talk - <font color = "EAA000">Contributions )  17:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Most comments echo what I'm going through right now: my schedule is airtight. Originally I thought that the free time I specifically put into my schedule would be good enough to get on here and edit, although in practice this has not been the case, in addition to other commitments both on and off my campus. While I agree that I am inactive, and I do appreciate a vote being made as opposed to outright demoting me (I can see where there might be some trust issues with that amongst the userbase), I also echo Seahorse's logic. I believe the wiki is in a repair and maintain mode, far from the activity we had back a few years ago. The results are the same with or without a vote. That being said, do what you will. For future reference, if another admin resigns or gets demoted, I do not believe there should be an RFA for that either, as I think the current two "active" admins are enough to keep the wiki running. If activity picks up for whatever reason, then and only then should an RFA be made. Any other scenario seems sketchy to me (if you know, you know). -  Wonderweez  ( Talk · Contribs ) 21:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you dropping by and weighing in on this. I agree with pretty much everything you said, though personally I have a more optimistic view as far as wiki activity as of late. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part though, who knows. --<font color = "FF8400">Chill57181 (<font color = "EAA000">Talk - <font color = "EAA000">Contributions )  22:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Should Wonderweez indeed get demoted, I know it has already been confirmed by the Administration but I cannot stress this enough: there must absolutely not be, under any circumstances, and absolutely not at all in the foreseeable future, ANY opening of the Requests for Adminship. The Requests for Adminship must be kept closed and there can be no compromise on that as any opening risks jeopardizing the stability of the Wiki and risks triggering an adminship race in which neither candidate could be wanted by the community (but the community is forced to choose with guns pointed at our heads). -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 16:33, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you needed to repeat it for a fourth time on the page but if the situation ever arises that we need another admin, it will be up to admin discretion whether or not the RFA is opened. -- User:EDFan 1234  5  19:42, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * After careful deliberation, I've decided to vote for Wonderweez's demotion as the wiki's activity level does not require as many administrators as in the past. -- SlenderXP  Talk to me   03:22, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The only reason I'd agree to demote him would be to promote Penstubal instead of him. --QP.png Quackerpingu   (Talk)   (Contributions)  07:24, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * My stance on this is pretty much summed up by most of the comments: The userbase is far less active in general, a pass or fail won't affect much at all either way, Wonder will still remain a staffer. The current number of administrators is probably sufficient enough judging by the general activity level, RfAs shouldn't need to be opened, at least for now --WP logo new.png <font face="Silom">Wikipen guino45  (<span title="Let's talk!">Talk ) (<span title="I have edits!">Contribs ) ( Articles ) 11:04, 20 November 2019 (UTC)