Help talk:Revise That's Death! Code

The Proposal
Hello, XTUX345 here.

It has come to my attention that certain rules in the That's Death code be revised, as they get in the way of creating even PG content and often get in the way of a perfectly good story.

I am all for decency and child friendliness, but these insane restrictions are unacceptable, and it is thus that I have decided to bring this to the wiki's attention.

Therefore, to fit the official defenition of "PG", I propose that we revise the following rules:

What I suggest we Revise

 * Within common sense reasoning and keeping it at PG or lower, all death that is completely instantaneous may be utilized on this site . No character may, in dying, suffer great pain, experience miserable agony, enter a vegetable state, or fall into a coma. All death must be instaneous. ALL DEATH MUST BE INSTANTANEOUS. No if, no and, no but.
 * Suffering may appear if a character is sick or in pain, but he/she/it must get better. Death can only be instantaneous.
 * And we don't mean instantaneous in ways like a shooting or poison.

Pffft. Comas and non-instantionous death IS allowed in PG content, and suffering before death is allowed. Look at "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardobe" film, for example. Aslan is kicked, made fun of, his mane shaved (with bits of skin probally being cut off in the process, as the creatures didn't look as if they were that careful in cutting), and finally stabbed. And does he die instantly? Yes, but he suffers great pain before it. If that were written on this wiki with the current laws, it'd be deleted quickly and thoughtlessly, because of those rules. I propose that we still not allow gore, but that we allow great pain and miserable agony without going into great detail. Perhaps it can be implied, but the current rules are stupid. Plus, no shooting or poison? That is truely pathetic, as in almost every family friendly western there's plenty of shooting, and I propose that we relax that one alltogether. Poison is also a very family friendly way of killing, as it is not that detailed, almost always depected in fiction as instantaneous, and usually does not include great suffering (or if it does, it is very breif). Not to mention that great pain before death is often preferrable to great pain, but no death, as sometimes the penguin/puffle is so great pain that it must be put out of its misery altogether.

What I propose that we change it to
Please note that this is not yet final and may still be modified or expanded.


 * Within common sense and reason, keep it at PG or lower. Instantaneous death is perferred, but not required. Great suffering before death is allowed but may not be expressed in great, wanton detail, but gore is not allowed due to the PG limit.


 * Poison is a perferrable way of killing, so long as it kills quickly, and without causing disgusting side effects (eg, Uncle Joe drank the liquid and then exploded in a ball of blood and gore).


 * Being eaten is an accecptable way of killing, so long as it is not gory. Penguins have natural predators, get used to it.


 * Blood is acceptable, as long as it is not used often and in small amounts. Also, remember that it must still fit within the PG guidelines.

For (11)

 * HECK YEAH!!!!!
 * Of course I'm for it!--XTUX345: "May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose! May an elephant caress you with his toes!" 15:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with this.
 * Shhyeahh. -- [[Image:Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG]] ¤   (  User page! ) (  Somebody tell'em I run dis ting! ) 18:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * -- Sanchonachos Being Liberal Rocks!  18:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * With my suggested modifications, I'll say yes. --Icmer In Nyc The best way to eat pie is to throw it at someone's face.  My contributions 18:29, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly! (Sorry I haven't been around in a while, busy with SpongeBob Fanon Wiki.) Happy New Year From Ponyo Fan! 18:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems to be within reason. I guess we can work with that.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 ( KIRBY, YOU ARE THE WORST.  )   v   •  [ e ]  19:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * -- Triskelle3 Talk to me! 20:21, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I love you. Zone 21:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Heck yea. --Austin8310 Bow ties are COOL. 21:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Against (3)

 * No. First off, part of the new rules make no grammatical sense. Second, I can summarise your points in one:
 * While keeping your story PG, you are allowed to make it more gory and violent then any PG movie ever.
 * It's downright silly. The TD!C does need reform, but it needs better reform.
 * -- THE SHEEP!  | FIGHTTHEPOWER!  [[File:Crazy sheep.gif]] ( Stuff I did and stuff ) 18:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The old rules are better than the proposed rules. The old rules are more free. &#91;&#91;User:LakeTrio3&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;pink&quot;&gt;Lake&lt;/font&gt;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;User talk:LakeTrio3&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;Trio&lt;/font&gt;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;Special:Contributions/LakeTrio3&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot;&gt;3&lt;/font&gt;&#93;&#93; 19:24, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Reform will destroy this wiki. You're never content with what you have, it's always MORE MORE MORE! Besides, you can kill your character in any instanteneous method that you can imagine. PEOPLE, WE JUST RECENTLY LEGALIZED HANGING. YOU HAVE ENOUGH OPTIONS, SO STOP BEING SO GREEDY. -- † TurtleShroom ™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! †     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND     †          †       Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      21:36, 20 March 2011 (UTC) <BR /> <BR />

Neutral (1)

 * Meh. Andrew (Seahorse: You have to be professional.) 18:05, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

My thoughts...

 * I peronally agree with this. Like I said before, if stabbing is illegal why do swords exist in the CPFW Universe in the first place? I agree fully that there should be no gore, but I don't see why simple forms of death like the ones mentioned above aren't mentioned. Besides in the Nightmare Epic Kill gets stabbed and slowly dies. In a way it makes the death seem more dramatic and you feel more sorry for the character. Various other characters have been stabbed as well (Malcur was stabbed in the Wikia Catastrophe) and, like Zone once said, various characters in the CPFW Universe have weapons that are pretty much ment for stabbing.
 * Actually, stabbing IS legal, if it instantly kills the victim. -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      21:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh. Well I still don't think this is going to far. Poison, as said above, is a common way of killing quickly (in PG movies aswell). I'm not saying this type of death should be used all the time. If it's used to much it will make this wiki a pretty depressing place, but if used in it's place it can be an efficient way of making a story more dramatic. Maybe I only think like this because I watch quite a bit of shows that involve death (Soul Eater, Fullmetal Alchemist, ect), but even kids shows have death at times. Take Avatar The Last Airbender (the show not that horrible movie). It didn't have a lot of death, but there were some instances where people were pulled underwater and drowned, died slowly due to wounds, and at one point even exploded. The thing is, death happens, and most of the time in quite discusting ways. While I agree that gore should be forbidden, I don't see why poisoning should be as long it kills them quick enough.

Shooting
What if say there's a war and someone gets shot to death? would that be ok?

--  18:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. Well, not for you.

And DON'T TRY TO WRITE ACTION.

It's not your thing.

In other words, you suck at it. No offense or anything. --Austin8310 Bow ties are COOL. 20:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The current doctrine allows for death by INSTANTENOUS stabbing and shooting. -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      21:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

OOC

 * I'd stick to what we have now with Snowball Guns and such. I think we should modify your proposed plan because there will be no real, lethal guns anyway. We'd have to modify like a zillion pages to swap Snowball Guns that function like tazers with guns that can kill. Everything else is fine with me. Swords that can chop off a guy's head would be cool, though. --<font face="" color="orange">Icmer In <font face="" color="yellow">Nyc The best way to eat pie is to throw it at someone's face.  My contributions 18:28, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed with Icmer. Death by swords is fine. Stabbing, etc. Blood-not that much, but it should be allowed.


 * Death by guns, like SN says? No. --Austin8310 Bow ties are COOL. 18:42, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Decapitation is mega-overkill. If you MUST use swords as weapons, please just kill the sucker instaneously, or there WILL be edits. I'm not here to see a penguin covered in blood, dying his last painful breath on this mortal plane. I'm here to see a penguin do something and then die instantly. -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      21:44, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * TurtleShroom is partially correct. Having all deaths instanteous is just lame (and breaks the wiki's "PG Promise"), but cutting off heads and limbs is too much, and does not fit within PG.--XTUX345: "May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose! May an elephant caress you with his toes!" 00:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Aircraft Crashes
Can people be injured from an aircraft crash, or could penguins die from one? But, TS would go against this saying that we have to respect 9/11 and such. But, we should allow plane crashes, but not into buildings.-- Sanchonachos Being Liberal Rocks!  19:51, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I say no. Aircraft Crashes are horrific and traumatic things. -- <font face="Stencil" color ="FFBA00"><span title="My page. No touchie!">THE SHEEP!  |<font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"> FIGHTTHEPOWER!  [[File:Crazy sheep.gif]] ( Stuff I did and stuff ) 20:56, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * What part of "we will never forget" do you not seem to grasp? No crashing into buildings, no exceptions, for any reason and for any justification. Ever. If you have any respect for my country, you will not contest that. -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      21:38, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Can Aircraft crashes occur yet the passengers survive? (No one dies) --Swiss Ninja Signature.png User Talk SN.png 02:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

RS' Thoughts
My father, being the type of person to call me out on saying something as dumb as, "I'm emo. Lookit me, I look like a zombie, oh my gosh, I dyed my hair some stupid color." would totally not approve of violence. But I think that stuff like the Fruit Gun should be allowed. Childish violence (i.e. dropping a piano on your enemy but not killing them, just hurting them, baseball bat hits, electric shocks, kung-fu, etc.) should be allowed, but the blood (if any) should be kept to a limit, like brief paper cuts that bleed for a bit, but feel immediately better in two seconds. Whaddaya think?


 * The Rokkin' Slug! NINJAS ROCK. ESPECIALLY IN LOVE SONGS. Talk to me, I am a lonely person.


 * I agree. Rocket Slug's father was the reason I enforce these doctrines so harshly and so brutally. It was because of people that are freaked out by the likes of Kwiksilver X that I wrote these brutal laws. We have to be a clean plaor we can't get young talent. I say you listen to her before she's driven off the site. There's not many users that share my interests. RS is one (similar television tastes), and that Libyan kid might need a pardon so I can FINALLY have a politics buddy, but most people around here don't share my interests, they just share my love for writing and the wiki. Explorer and I have some things in common, but really, I hate math and he loves it. -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      21:42, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Most young editors are not turned off by minimal amounts of blood, nor the kind that is allowed in PG films (exculding toddlers and those that mentally are still toddlers). TurtleShroom, your censorship is political correctness at it's worst, and is truely laughable at best. Besides, we're only allowing MINIMAL' blood, not buckets and buckets of gore.--XTUX345: "May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose! May an elephant caress you with his toes!" 00:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You'll say that now. Wait until a penguin covers himself in blood to appear dead. AGAIN. How about no blood? Do you have to mention that you bleed? I mean, isn't that a given? I don't really want blood to be referenced at all, not because I myself am afraid of it, but partially on the grounds that I'm not here to see some body parts and I'm here for lighthearted CP stories. Don't try to make the CPFW world something it's not. Club Penguin isn't a good setting for a mauling to the death. It's too lighthearted a place overall. -- <span title="I am not ashamed of my faith. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD. I AM CHRISTIAN AND I AM PROUD!">† TurtleShroom <span title="">™!  Jesus Loves You and Died for You!! <span title="VICTORY!!!">†     :)  :)    STROM THURMOND <span title="Do you feel the need to preach the word of the Lawd despite no one giving [a stinking care at all]?">    †          †       <span title="Well, at least it'll make a good song.">Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?  <span style="color: white !important;"><span title="Here Wikia leaders, have a cookie. They are not poison.">  ――–   <span style="color: white !important;"> ―――――      00:38, 21 March 2011 (UTC) <BR /> <BR />


 * Covering one's self in blood would not be allowed, as that would be against the new rules. It says to not use much blood, remember? And yes, sometimes it is nessecary (or improves the story) to mention blood.--XTUX345: "May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose! May an elephant caress you with his toes!" 02:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)