Talk:The Four Unknown

Remind me again how these have really anything to do with the fanon universe? -- User:EDFan 1234  5  18:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

tbh this still doesn't really have a whole lot to do with CP other than "they interacted with this CP-related thing" and I think it would be better to work on that instead of continuing to put them in everything -- User:EDFan 1234  5  00:23, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you particularly have in mind? I can't really seem to tell the difference between what you're saying ulsk avatar.png Current Status: i swear college essay writing is taking decades off of my lifespan (T • C • Y) 04:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * To me, they just feel like random inanimate objects you had irl and decided to make into characters for some reason, with no obvious correlation to cp or reason for them to be on the wiki and except "hey Gary made them". --  C  K   Admin  05:15, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * i'm gonna be perfectly honest that's basically exactly what happened


 * idunno, maybe i'll come up with something at some point or lose enough interest to greenlight another eradi-retcon ulsk avatar.png Current Status: i swear college essay writing is taking decades off of my lifespan (T • C • Y) 05:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Honestly I don't know how much it would help but my ideas if you want to go for them would be to retcon them into being objects that are relevant to Club Penguin (i.e. a bottle of hot sauce or something) and change their origin story so that they don't come from the human world. --Chill57181 (Talk • Contributions )  23:55, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Tbh you could argue that quite a lot of things on the wiki don't have much to do with CP other than the fact that they involve penguins.--Radioactivechicken, Contact, 0w0 what's this? 11:19, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Radioactivechicken is right, and we do not seem to mind any of those other things being on this wiki either. I think this is just a pointless attempt to limit somebody's creativity tbh. Let Star create whatever he wants and let him have fun doing it, it's not like this wiki isn't basically nearing its death anyway. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 15:04, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Ed's questioning the validity of someone else's article, Star Kirby continues to pass off real life things as articles, CK agrees with a fellow mod, Radioactivechicken brings an unpopular perspective, Pen gets accusatory, Mario RK puts in way more effort than anyone else, and Chill's just sort of there. Yep. Seems things are back to normal. --Mr Cow2 (talk) 03:42, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have it any other way. ulsk avatar.png Current Status: i swear college essay writing is taking decades off of my lifespan (T • C • Y) 03:51, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Amen. --Mr Cow2 (talk) 04:12, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Be honest, we all like it this way. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 16:03, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * perfectly balanced, as all things should be --Chill57181 (Talk • Contributions )  17:52, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

A Critique of the Four Unknown
When someone says something needs more CP, I don't take it as it needing to be more related to Club Penguin itself, but rather needing to be better integrated with the Fanon universe. A lot of my issues with the Four Unknown stem from the poor execution of their concept. In theory, I would argue four sentient objects existing in the background of Antarctica could be a really fun idea and definitely has potential. The heart of the problem lies in that they are placed in situations that they do not belong in, given the scope of their characters.

Penguins simply seem to accept that the Four Unknown are fully integrated into their world and society and leave it at that. No one asks any questions as to where they came from, what gives them the right to do what they are doing or how they gained sentience. They aren't even discriminated against the population for not being a penguin, seemingly being supernatural, or just being out of place in general. It also doesn't add up how they get so much publicity during elections. While they are inanimate objects and would definitely stand out because of it, I would find their attitude and actions comparable to that of Vermin Supreme, who isn't even a household name himself. And yet their popularity implies that penguins are indeed open to these objects partaking in their elections. As it stands, I see no reason for any of these characters to be objects because there is no exploration in that aspect of their character; you could simply swap them out for penguins and not much would change. I am aware that each member has their own unique ability that reflects the object they are, such as Captain B's infinite water. Though this is never observed in any interesting way throughout either election so far, and display of these abilities still would not justify their characters being objects.

Due to these circumstances, I would find this situation comparable to certain kid's movies where the characters are only animals simply because kids like animals, and thus the plot would not be impacted should they be swapped out for humans. Contrast that to a movie like Zootopia where the animals being animals is integral to the plot and world building of the film. Should you choose to change the Unknown Four into penguins, you then run into the predicament that they might be too similar to the Madagascar penguins. A solution I would offer for this would be to figure out some way to merge the two groups into something new. I believe this would be the most beneficial action to take, even if the rivalry between the two groups has to be sacrificed for it. As an additional benefit from this would be the elimination of the Madagascar penguins, who I personally do not believe have a justified place on Fanon being ripped straight out of the Madagascar movies.

I want to be clear that the reason why I gave this critique was not necessarily to be harsh but to allow you to see the flaws in your writing and develop as a writer. Ultimately I believe all of the wiki's continuity benefits from stronger writing and makes for a more immersive experience and all-around developed universe. I hope you do not take any of this personally, though these notes are just my two cents. --Mario Rk 23:16, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I really liked your critique, and I can agree with a lot of the points. I haven't really been able to get much critique for anything I've really made (mostly due to a combination of my lack of social skills and procrastination), so I'm happy to read this. To be honest, the whole election thing was just something I thought was funny and the Four's presence exists solely as comedic relief, but it did occur to me that their ability to power through them was slightly "overpowered". I don't know if I'll ever end up implementing anything for the Four in particular because I'm about as active as ChanServ, but I'll keep it all in mind. ulsk avatar.png Current Status: i swear college essay writing is taking decades off of my lifespan (T • C • Y) 03:51, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

=RP=

Wally: Oh hi there! Come in!

Captain B: Wally, what the heck are you doing?!

Wally: Right right right, sorry.

Is it true?
Could you guys have possibly once belonged to one of those...those higher beings? --