Help talk:Fixing Yow

This discussion regards the Yow Kingdom. Ok, so it looks like OpenID (no offense) has been driving half the Wiki nuts. Swiss and OpenID have been arguing the most; I just extinguished a flame war between the two and removed about 5,372 bytes from OpenIDl talk. Now, OpenID obviously wants the Yow Kingdom to be big, powerful, etc, but there has to be a point to where it stops. So, let's say they have a rapidly growing economy but high crime and lots of poverty. Or a lot of corruption resulting in a oligarchy of corruption dominated by the rich and powerful. You get the point; however OpenID and the community, in particular, SN, have to agree on something that would make Yow fit in.

Please no flame wars. All Admins should moderate this and extinguish trouble on sight. There must be an agreement between both parties.-- Agent Johnson |  I'm Brit-ish and cause of that, I'm Liberal.  07:21, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm staying out of this. I'm not messing with articles I don't understand. -- Epic Intro of Blackness! So, do you think that was epic? Tell me now! 07:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Me too. Lake  Trio  3  15:17, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

The Yow Kingdom was fine a week ago. But now in the past week he focused on MORE stupid power expansions. More islands, provinces, stuff to make SN angry. I suggest the undoing of OpenID's radical expansions of this week. However DO NOT attempt to "fix" the actual article Yow Kingdom. Like I said, ONLY undo the past week's changes to the article. Icmer In Nyc 78% of PC gamers have played Minecraft.  No wonder why our eyesight is so bad. 15:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Listen, I'm just mad about Swiss Ninjas because he chooses war on Yow. When really Yow Kingdom and Castilla should become allies and try to conquer the USA. I expanded the Yow Kingdom by having Feey1 find F Island, and the June Islands ending up in their borders. Everyone on Yow is very nice, and almost everyone is rich. The economy is extremely massive, and the country does not borrow money from other countries. I know that they have not gotten any allies yet, but Swiss Ninja is just really not wanting Castilla and Yow to be friends(which I do want them to). I've now started to expand the Yow with scientific advancements. Like Space Colony 1, the Penguin Super Suit, an a extremely powerful navy. It is still a small kingdom, but half of the population is in the military or in the GUARD.

-Feey1

Immature? Maybe...but this is what I feel right now. Icmer In Nyc 78% of PC gamers have played Minecraft.  No wonder why our eyesight is so bad. 16:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Feey, for Castilla and Yow to become allies, you should make Yow a part of the Ninja Archipelago and the AU. However, if you wanna go to war with someone big, GAIN ALLIES! Allies are what helps an army outnumber their enemy.

Oh I know what allies are. But I want Yow to stand by itself and not be apart of any other countries. It is difficult to find allies when must countries are in the USA. King Alexander wants nothing to do with the USA but destroying them. I just need to find some islands near Yow that may want to be allies. -Feey1

Feey, you're being self-contradictory. Yow and the USA can't be enemies and trading partners at the same time. If Yow were actively trying to destroy the USA, they'd be instantly embargoed and they'd probably suffer massive damage to the economy. And please don't tell Swiss Ninja how to write his articles. Snowzerland is very competitive and nationalistic. It would be somewhat out of character for them to team up with Yow.

Another thing: Yow is starting to come off as far too perfect. The economy is great, everyone is nice (somehow), and the nation is great with technology. We can't have that. You need to balance out Yow's expansion with flaws and problems, such as extensive crime, a struggling economy, or a dysfunctional government. Yow cannot be the perfect empire, and it is certainly n ot taking down the USA anytime soon.

Finally, try to fix your grammar. Sometimes you use the wrong words or come off as redundant.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  GET READY DREAMLAND  )   v   •  [ e ]  19:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Alright. So what if Yow has a somewhat corrupted government, and a large black market. And I don't want to team with Snowzerland, but Castilla. And the USA doesn't even have a clue that the Yowiens and their king look forward to its downfall. I will give Yow a small corruption it its government and add a black market where penguins sell illegal things. -Feey1

...SN added in pieces to aid in this too, like an adviser that can be bribed. Otherwise, looks fine. Andrew (Minecrafter) (Freeciv) 20:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

@Feey: I control the USA, not you. It's not realistic for the USA not to know what everyone else is up to; they're the largest country and they have multiple intelligence agencies.

As for the black market idea: you need to expand on that. Just simply mentioning the black market will not offset the perfect economy, perfect citizens, or perfect technology. If you're going to go with crime, make the law enforcement incompetent and make Yow a center for smuggling. Yow could hold some of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the continent. This could help justify Yow's need to expand their territory, since they want more people to emigrate.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 ( GET READY DREAMLAND  )   v   •  [ e ]  20:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Listen, I'm just mad about Swiss Ninjas because he chooses war on Yow. When really Yow Kingdom and Castilla should become allies and try to conquer the USA. I expanded the Yow Kingdom by having Feey1 find F Island, and the June Islands ending up in their borders.
 * No, that was SN being childish and starting a flame war. I should had warned him for that but I didn't, in case everyone moaned (someone actually finish the COC... thanks).


 * Everyone on Yow is very nice, and almost everyone is rich. The economy is extremely massive, and the country does not borrow money from other countries.
 * Everyone being nice is impossible; trust me, people, including me, you and everyone, are mean to some extent. The economy, well, as I've said before, the service sector is where the money is, so the Yow Kingdom would have a problem there. My suggestion would be oil, because that is the other area where money is made. As for everyone being rich... well that would be impossible; there has to be the workers, there has to be the middle class and there have to be the people who exploit it all. Also, all countries borrow for others, no matter how rich, just some do it less than others, like China, although if you don't borrow you can't really do big projects like Space Colony 1, YSA, etc.


 * I know that they have not gotten any allies yet, but Swiss Ninja is just really not wanting Castilla and Yow to be friends (which I do want them to).
 * Forget him, or in your mind, screw him.


 * I've now started to expand the Yow with scientific advancements. Like Space Colony 1, the Penguin Super Suit, an a extremely powerful navy. It is still a small kingdom, but half of the population is in the military or in the GUARD.
 * Well to fund all this you will have to borrow so much... so much that it would kill your economy. Numbers in the military doesn't always mean a stronger army; in fact you would have a big but weak military. Also a 'Battleship' is a ship with a lot of cannons on board, since I saw 'battleship' quite a lot on the Yow Kingdom. Countries today use Destroyers, Frigates, Corvettes, Patrol boats and Gunboats as their mainstream ships, along with a few ships to ship the Marines and perhaps a few Aircraft carriers, depending on whether it's a Brown, Green or Blue water navy. Having half of your penguins in the military would honestly kill your economy; you can have conscription, like Switzerland, but not half of your penguins in the military professionally.


 * Alright. So what if Yow has a somewhat corrupted government, and a large black market. And I don't want to team with Snowzerland, but Castilla. And the USA doesn't even have a clue that the Yowiens and their king look forward to its downfall. I will give Yow a small corruption it its government and add a black market where penguins sell illegal things.
 * It's a start, but see what Explorer said.

We're trying to help you, remember that ;).-- Agent Johnson |  I'm Brit-ish and cause of that, I'm Liberal.  06:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Debt
Okay, I just finished sinking Yow into debt. Due to overspending, King Alexander has been forced to borrow money from the USA (at 50% interest, which really doesn't help). I think this is a good way to balance out Yow's Mary Sue, though we'll need to find a way for Yow to sustain itself (unless you want Yow to be bought out by the USA). Also remember that the last country that failed to repay its debt to the USA got XXX'd.

I could use a little help from TurtleShroom; he knows more about this than I do.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 ( GET READY DREAMLAND  )   v   •  [ e ]  12:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

First off, Castilla hates Yow for the same reasons Snowzerland does. Castilla would rather work with Snowzerland than to pair up with the mediocre Yows. Why can't Yow just be peaceful? And Castilla also hates yow because of Feey being a slave owner. Oh, and that video was the lyrics to the song. It's not a movie, just music with a background…And AJ, stay out of people's buisness, OK? Me and Feey are getting in a personal situation here.

--  23:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Ps:, I'm adding Mwa Mwa Penguin refugees to the island to make the island more family friendly and less mary suish.

-and so I toss in my political weight
Okay, after a long time of self-deliberation and massive "lurking" of this article on my phone in silence, I've decided to toss in my opinion, based upon my knowledge of hyperinflation, debt, and drive to shatter Mary Sues.

Allow me to begin with the immediate consequences of building up armies, funding a space program, and all other things of that nature without having the money to back it in the first place. Even if it stimulates the economy and creates jobs, what will those jobs be paid in? Money? Well, yes, but what good is money when it's being magically created out of thin air in order to fund a project?

This is inflation. Inflation is when the value of a currency- what it can buy -shrinks over time. It becomes worth less than before. If you print money to finance something, backing it with nothing but "because I said so", and seeing no growth, people are going to charge more of this money to get the same product.

[http://www.investopedia.com/video/play/what-is-inflation#axzz1X7wXPiEU Let's say a loaf of bread is worth five coins. All right. Now, let's say the government that issues the coin undergoes a Yowian spending spree, or, in a more realistic example, the United States, having done so since the 1920s. They start printing money to finance billion-dollar....] [http://www.investopedia.com/video/play/what-is-inflation#axzz1X7wXPiEUya know what? TO HECK WITH THAT.] Let the bankers sho you:

Now, essentially, we're having Yow print more money that is unjustifiable by their wealth. Yow's economy is not powerful enough to sustain that much money, so the Yowian currency goes down. Essentially, Weimar Republic Fanon Wiki. That article looks long, but I swear, if you read it after you watch that video that is roughly two minutes, you'll have a total understanding of what we're about to do with Yow.

Their debt will devalue their currency until wheelbarrows of Yowian Dollars (or whatever) are worth a single fish, two or three Puffle-O's, or a scrap of the sleeve of a new shirt. It'll start slow, and go fast.

The end result will be like the Weimar Republic. Basically, though, instead of Nazis, we're going to have the Yowian Milirary coup the government and win the support of the people by "making their life savings worth something again".

The military junta that will follow will make Yow's money stable, but at the cost of the nation's power. They'll be no more powerful than Maps Island after the war was settled and their junta came to power in the Snoss Wars. Yow will come in a fledging, militaristic nation with hyperinflation, and will go out a humble regime ruled by the very military that was once Feey's pride and joy.

THAT is how it shall be, and Feey, your character can arrive and work for the junta, be in the junta, or have a say.

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 * WHAAAAT


 * THAT is how it shall be, and Feey, your character can arrive and work for the junta, be in the junta, or have a say.


 * TS, you aren't lord of the website. Honestly. This was pretty over. And then you arrive and you're like "I'M TURTLE LORD AND I PROCLAIM THIS". seriously? No. You can't just say "it's gonna be this or else".


 * Rewrite and balance your country, or we shall take it and do so for you. Mary Sue is not permitted on this site. Balance is sacrosanct and people are REALLY getting ticked. I'm giving you one last shot to reform Yow completely, or else, I will support my friends in executing Operation Weimer.


 * WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT


 * You're not allowed to do that. You can't just go "MY ARTICLE NOW." That's not how this website works. You don't have this much authority-and you can't do this. We already agreed to start working on this, and we got it. And now you're being overbearing and excessive. And dude. You're the only one supporting Operation Weimer. "I will support my friends in executing Operation Weimer"-that's just making people think other people agree with you. And what the heck does sacrosanct mean?!? -Austin8310


 * Of course we're allowed to do that. And yes, TS has support. Just in case you haven't been keeping track, Austin: TS, AJ, and I want Yow balanced out, and Swiss, Sancho, and Tux want to take it over. That's six users that want to alter Yow somehow. (Which is also conveniently the number of users needed to override the decision an OOC rights holder.) I'd say that counts as consensus.


 * And I already started the process. Yow is now on the verge of recession. I don't think we really need the military junta, but it does seem like the most realistic way to go after Yow's fall.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  WE ARE THE SQUEAK SQUAD  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   <span title="No trivia today, folks. =\">•  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  01:27, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * To recap: six users want Yow changed somehow. Under the OOC policy, that means Yow is going to get fixed regardless of what Feey says. Now all we need to do is agree on what must be done.


 * I for one, think TS's idea is a pretty good one.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  WE ARE THE SQUEAK SQUAD  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   <span title="No trivia today, folks. =\">•  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  01:31, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * No, you can't steal articles. You have to request seizure on a talk page, get six votes for you, then you have to adopt it to make changes to it, and THEN you can change it. You can't just waltz in like this. Who's been on the Cactus Juice? -Austin8310


 * AJ requested a change, six users including AJ said sure. Therefore, change will be made and cake will be baked.


 * Besides, this is just a change to the article; we're not adopting it.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  WE ARE THE SQUEAK SQUAD  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   <span title="No trivia today, folks. =\">•  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  01:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Austin, you made a mistake
Austin, you must have misunderstood my message. I'm a naturally dramatic man, but I was just giving this page a cool name (Operation Weimer)

Over Reacting!
I think everyone is going over board. Why can't in 2012 Yow suddenly hits a depression? And the currency at Yow Kingdom(besides June Islands) is the Club Penguin Gold Coin! It cannot loose it's worth anytime, that's what I believe. And I really doubt Yow could ever be conquered by some other country. I would like to be Fair Game, but in a way of the USA. I would like people to use it in their pages. But you guys are all over reacting! You see Yow has made some bad decisions, that over the years led them into a depression. You guys seem to be doing bad moves yourself. This is a WIKI! This means ANYONE can add their ideas, edits, and more! Yow could not be fair game, but cannot be adopted. Yow just needs to have more originality, and fixed a little! But you guys keep going over board. And Swiss Ninja, please don't get into any of this. -Feey1

The problem with your article is that Yow is so ridiculously overrated and perfect in every way that no one will like it. When that happens to characters, they're called Mary Sues. The reason everyone is being so vocal on this is because we (and a lot of other writers) try to avoid Mary Sues at all costs. They detract from a story and are considered amateurish and tacky.

Now, what I had in mind was forcibly rewriting the article, but for some reason TS wants to actually take it.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  WE ARE THE SQUEAK SQUAD  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   <span title="No trivia today, folks. =\">•  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  19:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Some things:


 * And the currency at Yow Kingdom(besides June Islands) is the Club Penguin Gold Coin!
 * No, it's not. The gold coin, or fish, is the USA's currency. What you probably mean is that Yow's currency started out as having equal value with the USA's currency.
 * And I really doubt Yow could ever be conquered by some other country.
 * It's a tiny island nation. I'm pretty sure a large power like Freezeland or Snowzerland could win a victory, even if it were Pyrrhic.
 * You guys seem to be doing bad moves yourself. This is a WIKI! This means ANYONE can add their ideas, edits, and more! Yow could not be fair game, but cannot be adopted.
 * So by that logic there's nothing wrong with fixing Yow.

Friendly tip: Try to improve your grammar. It's hard to take someone seriously when their writing is riddled with errors.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  WE ARE THE SQUEAK SQUAD  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   <span title="No trivia today, folks. =\">•  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  19:28, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

My grammar is so badder. I'm joking, I'm joking! I know my grammar is bad. Grammar has never been a big part of my life, since I was born! I'm also bad at pronouncing words right in reality. I'm am a strange little guy. I write this staring at my computer, headphones on my head, and listening to the Phineas & Ferb song: Roller Coaster. -Feey1

= Deliberations = Now that the vote has passed, we have to discuss on what to do with Yow. Anything off-topic should be posted above the header. If it isn't, it will be relocated there. Flaming will be removed as well.

So... any ideas on how to rewrite the article?  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  I AM META KNIGHT  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   <span title="No trivia today, folks. =\">•  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  10:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Stopping the flaming would be a good start. -- <font face="Stencil" color ="FFBA00"><span title="My page. No touchie!">THE SHEEP!  |<font face="Lucida Sans Unicode"> FIGHTTHEPOWER!   ( Stuff I did and stuff ) 12:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to be gone today and tomorrow. I'm going camping. So I won't be able to do anything to help out the page. But I think someone should make a black market section of the Yow page. -Feey1

Take it dependent on someone (maybe), and kill the space colony, so Yow's debt can be erased further (I will do). Andrew (Minecrafter) (Freeciv) 20:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

That's a good start. We also need to weaken the military. And make King Alexander a puppet king. No one will want him making any real decisions after what he did to the economy.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  I AM META KNIGHT  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   <span title="No trivia today, folks. =\">•  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  20:21, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the military should be weak. Weak enough so that it cant conquer anyone. I also am considering about making the "Neutrality Peace Party" to be yow's official dominant party and another peaceful party as it's competitor.

Basically saying, the citizens of Yow should oppose wars and conquering and focus on more proactive things in their lives.

--  01:11, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Now Barbearer Islands are starting to turn into a second Yow. Feey, just because they're not Yow doesn't mean you can make them like you tried to make Yow.  Yours Truly,   Explorer 767 (  I AM META KNIGHT  )   <span title="Behold if you dare!">v   <span title="No trivia today, folks. =\">•  [ <span title="Tweak if you dare!">e ]  19:25, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not trying to make them like Yow. I'm just having a little trouble to make it original. I'm trying my best to avoid making it a second Yow. -Feey1