Talk:Attempted Assassination of Lavender

Chill was banned for different reasons long before, when Fat Duck was still the president. -- QUACKERPINGU WITH BIG LETTERS!   (talk).   Contributions   A link   14:41, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Is Cactus Juice legal in Shops Island?  Penguinpuffdude   It's time for a chat, no?    04:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. What do you think we are, a dictatorship? --CanadaFlag.png Bro  Talk to me! OHYEAH.png 12:58, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was just thinking that if it was illegal, then it could be a political joke because Lavender would be in a dilemma with what to do with it when he receives it...  Penguinpuffdude Hiking.png  It's time for a chat, no?    00:19, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I would like to make it clear, whether you were planning it or not, that any and all actions against Acadia and Duck Island that constitute military actions and getting the entire international community to hate them forever are completely OOC for the reason that you made these assassination attempts, not Brant, and that Brant already agreed to back down and democratize Acadia and therefore resolve the Achadia Crisis by peaceful means. Brant already said his intentions are to actually democratize Acadia and not just pass some amendment to the constitution and be done with it - he already said he even intends on holding a possible presidential election with international observers to give the Acadian people a voice again on their president.

If I made a Shopper and an Ed Island citizen shoot McClark just because there were small tensions between those states and made the entire international community gang up on Shops and Ed Island, would that be okay? Would that not be a violation of the OOC policy, not to mention the fact I'm using your citizens with your permission - any citizen of your country is in a way your character. Would it be a violation of the OOC policy if I "persuaded" ,as you gently put it in your assassination article, nations around the world to seize all your assets, kick out all your diplomats and got McClark to possibly even "justifiably", as you put it in your article, seek military intervention against Shops Island?

I'm just letting you keep this on your mind. You made this assassination, not Brant. You escalated the Achadia Crisis on a community, not universe, scale, not Brant. Acadia has agreed to back down in the universe, and Brant has agreed to back down in the community, but you prolonged it to put into continuity "an international anti-Acadian sentiment".

I ponder whether it is confusing and puzzling or not a surprise at all that the Achadia Crisis is being prolonged and CK and Bro are seeking to "punish Brant for his 'power-hungry' actions". However, at the moment, all I see is that you are hypocrites. You preach "consensus", "peace", "tolerance", "good behavior", "respect towards one another", while at the same time breaking every single one of those rules when it comes to yourself. Consensus? You guys actively disparage any attempts by anybody else to achieve consensus. Peace, tolerance, respect towards one another? You constantly insult Brant and others, call them scrubby, call their content horrible instead of doing something productive like advising them how to improve their content, and good behavior? You provoke bad behavior. You cause bad behavior, and then go "The problem is administrators being lenient" when the people you are provoking get angry.

I am accused of being some sort of puppet of Brant and Quackerpingu, in one form or another, every single day. What you don't realize is that I very often am frustrated with them, condemn their behavior when it should be condemned, and call them out when they are wrong. I am their friend, but I like to hold them accountable. I actively tell them: don't do this, don't do that, it's bad, that is OOC, you should try to do this instead ... I advise them all the time, and I use the fact I am their friend to help influence them towards rational decision making, regardless of whether I have succeeded or not, and in many cases with Brant, I do believe I indeed have succeeded

CK, you may think you are some big guy on this wiki who is above all fights. You may think a few people whom you consider irrelevant are after you and that they are whiny, immature scrubs who do only want to cause trouble. But you are playing with fire. You are not gonna "get Brant and Quackerpingu to submit to you" if you constantly insult them, disparage their work without actually advising them how to improve, and by trying to punish them every step of the way, even when they have actually backed down (this is in regards to this Assassination Attempt against Lavender). You like to act like you are literally a god compared to me, but in reality you are just as bad and flawed when it comes to immaturity, biases and nepotism as me, and you have no right to claim a moral high ground.

Also remember that both your friends and my friends are minorities. The majority of users here are users who simply desire to have fun and do not get involved at all in these arguments. They are watching us, however, and judging us as people, as individuals and as a community, most importantly, based on how we behave. Now, you can choose to "be the better men", something I have been told countless times now when it comes to my fight with others, or you can choose to "step down" to the level your "enemies" supposedly are and just further contribute to embarrassing this wiki, alienating users and making people angry when all they want to do is contribute with others, collaborate and work together towards their ultimate goal - happiness and fun.

I know what I have chosen, and aside from this comment and private discussions, I have pretty much entirely stayed out of this squabble between you and Brant. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 12:42, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Also, I am not too close to Brant and Quackerpingu in a way that prevents me to do a possible job as administrator, a judge and a mediator properly. I am an independent thinker, unlike Quackerpingu and CK, who tend to cling on to factions and refuse to be open to getting new friends with different perspectives and contents with a different styles than theirs. In that regard, I ESPECIALLY condemn Quackerpingu for his complete immaturity and insensitivity in dealing with others, his refusal to compromise at all. He whines all the time how his articles are LQAs - maybe the solution is to improve them, and if he cannot - too bad. Let's advise him how to improve it. Or he can refuse to get help from others, as he usually does. Or he is simply a bad writer, that is something that has to be worked on for a very long time. This is the first user I am calling out personally, by name, since August 2017, and I believe I am doing it rightly so. Regardless, I think he can improve if he was actually willing to, but it seems that's not going to happen. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 12:51, 8 December 2018 (UTC)