User:Penstubal/Why To Support Our Draft

You can find the draft here.

So, a few weeks ago I proposed a new policy to replace the current country policy. It is, what I call it, the People's Country Policy. Because that's what I want it to be. I want it to be truly yours and I want you guys to participate in creating this policy regardless of your belief, whether you think it's horrible or amazing. So, thank you all who want to participate. Please voice your opinions.

1. What is the current country policy?

The current policy can be found here. The requirements are that you must have been editing the wiki for 6 months, have at least 5 high quality articles determined by administrators, and have written permission from administrators. This policy was previously set up because of the overabundance of countries, which is no longer an issue.

2. Why do people want to change it?

Users have previously voiced their discontent with the country policy because it included the sentence that country making was banned. That was removed, but the point still remains that users may not create their countries because they believe the policy is pushing them too hard and giving them great pressure. It is also very hard to do 5 HQAs when you have so much IRL work to do and when you have other articles you want to focus on at the same time.

'''3. I like the current policy. Why should I cater to their demands?'''

My aim is to find a perfect solution that will benefit everybody, and the solution I have proposed so far benefits a lot of people. Many people feel it is better, and I personally think it will work because it will encourage creativity and cause our wiki to blossom. The solution is also stricter but also takes away some pressure from people and makes it easier for them to focus and work, because that's how users feel now: it's an entirely new thing and a whole new thing that should be tried and experimented and we can see how it goes.

4. I think they're just being selfish.

But aren't you being selfish too by refusing any compromise with them? They want to edit just like you do and I don't think their rights should be rescinded. So I want to find a perfect solution and so far I have their support.

5. Why should I support your country policy draft though?

Firstly because the people who dislike the current one support my draft. If you agree to this policy and they agree to it, we will have forged unity and we would all have common support for the same thing as each other. Secondly, because it's completely revised and a whole new thing and it's nice to experiment with new things and see how they go. Thirdly, because it lets users create 20 medium quality articles, articles that can be on various topics. They can be stories, characters, places, towns... lots of things and people would actually work on them and we would see creativity blossom.

6. It is easy to create 20 MQAs.

It's not that simple and easy. Many users don't have that many MQAs and they would have to work quite a bit to achieve that.

7. How can you guarantee people will actually work on their MQAs?

Because people will be determined to have their own countries and so they will work on passing the requirements.

8. What if users abandon their MQAs after getting their country?

I think administrators should have a natural duty and ability to run this wiki and tell them "Okay, you have got to work on your articles man. If you don't, I'm not sure we're going to be okay with your country like this" should ALL admins agree to doing that. In translation, to force the user into working on some MQAs too and not just their country.

'''9. I don't support the proposal. There needs to be more compromise.'''

Sure, we can talk! I named this the People's Country Policy for a reason: I want YOU to chip in and tell me your concerns! I wish something happens so there can be cordiality and unity on this wiki and I think this country policy idea can achieve that.

'''10. I still refuse to support it. The country policy is fine, and those complaining about it are being crybabies.'''

That's your opinion. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. But what do you want more: fights and anger on this wiki, or do you want us all to agree on something? I want us all to agree and work together on achieving a common goal, and you should join in too regardless of your opinion and seek to give something in exchange for something as a compromise.

Please do give me your thoughts on our draft and do tell me what you want to be added. We can then compromise and work together and for a while this won't go to the Council, until we have all agreed on something. Thank you! -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 16:57, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Comments

 * Personally, I feel that if you aren't willing or able to put in the time and effort to create the current 5 HQAs needed, then consequently your country won't be high quality and you don't deserve one. That's a major part of why this policy exists, to cut down on the amount of low quality countries. -- Chill57181     Talk    Contribs   17:03, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * By adding "A request for a user who met those requirements to create a country may only be denied if three-fourths of all administrators agree to.", you made the draft useless. Remove it. --QuackSign.png Quackerpingu   (talk).   Contributions   A link  QuackSign2.png 17:44, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Creating 20-30 AQAs is insanely easy. For example, I created Roebling, an AQA-level article in under 30 minutes with little forethought. The thing with countries is that they require more work to be made properly than character pages or other low-level articles, and as such the standard for quality should be higher as well. Creating HQAs actually require effort, while doling out AQAs can be done by anybody with half a brain. Quality is always more important than quantity. --CanadaFlag.png Bro  Talk to me! OHYEAH.png 17:49, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "This policy was previously set up because of the overabundance of countries, which is no longer an issue." However, it is still an issue? No countries that already existed have been deleted since the policy was made, so how is it not still an issue? Also, the current requirements (5 HQAs and admin approval), despite people disliking them, exist so that any new country articles have a higher chance of having great quality from a user's past experience, and not simply multiple "ok" countries. I believe the field is still and always will be overcrowded unless countries are deleted, which is very unlikely to happen. Users are still welcome to create countries despite the overabundance, we (the administration) just want to ensure that the creators have experience and have become skilled editors through their other articles first.   C  K   Sysop / BOBmaster ? 18:24, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright listen up you scrubs. If the bar is too high, then you need to work harder so you can reach it. You don't lower the bar, then say you reached it. If you "can't make an HQA", then work harder for it. For example: I'm talentless at drawing. But I want to someday make a comic or something. So the logical conclusion is I actually practice to reach that level, step by step. In what world do 20-30 mediocre creations equal 5 quality ones? If it's too hard, start with something smaller. Work with a village, then a town, then a city. Build your way up to the top. I don't agree with the 20-30 MQA's thing, but since you're so passionate about compromising, how about my suggestion to build your way up until you have the experience to make a country? idunno, it annoys me that people whine that the requirements for achieving something is "too hard" when they aren't trying hard enough. ulsk avatar.png (T • C • Y) 07:36, 29 May 2017 (UTC)