Talk:Macradonia

Ok, so this country gets couped by terrorists and the liberators decide to keep it for themselves? I'm sorry, but there will be some other powers that will not tolerate this and will try to drive the Seal Islands and Snowiny out of Macradonia to restore its independence. Or for Snowzerland, take it for themselves.

-- User:Swiss Ninja  (My Talk Page) 20:33, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * To tell you the truth, I intended it to become independent again afterwards, but then Penstubal told me that it would not be allowed because of the no countries no more policy. --Snowstormer (talk) 20:38, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * oh. Well, this is a previously existing country prior to the country ban, so its sovereignty may be preserved.

-- User:Swiss Ninja  (My Talk Page) 20:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * No, there won't be any other powers that will not tolerate this. Nobody will intervene anymore, nor randomly make the war be lost by the Coalition and get us destroyed. It is a violation of OOC, and I have plenty of examples that contradict with what you just said (Great Snowzerland War VI, The Great Yowien War etc.). -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 20:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * If either Snowiny or the Seal Islands refuse to return Macradonia's independence, Castilla, Frankterre, Liguria, and Lisboagal will be ready to form a coalition and drive the foreigners out and will re-establish Macradonian independence.

-- User:Swiss Ninja  (My Talk Page) 20:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But you can't. It's against the policy to do this. It's not against the policy to do whatever I want with a country I own OOC rights to. --Snowstormer (talk) 20:58, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And if we're on the topic of realism, Frankterre and Castilla both have good relations with Snowiny and the Seal Islands. They wouldn't randomly destroy their relations with a war now, would they? --Snowstormer (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And moreso, Liberation of Planet 1984‎ would then be illegal too. It's not realistic for an antarctic nation to attack 3 nations on a completely different planet, that's not even in the solar system. So much for making sense I guess. At least this war isn't OOC like the Yowien one was. --Snowstormer (talk) 21:04, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

They can always break their ties since this invasion maybe percieved to be undemocratic or may not fit their agendas. They will encourage both countries to withdraw from Macradonia and re-establish its independence. Realistically they would attack if the nations refused, but since I cannot do that, I have one option left. An AU wide embargo will be established on either said country and ambassadors from all the AU states will be withdrawn from either of these countries and they will no longer recognize these said nations either, unless they agree to withdraw and allow Macradonia to regain its sovereignty. Planet 1984 is Bro's invention so he essentially has the final say, plus international law doesn't extend outside the planet.

-- User:Swiss Ninja  (My Talk Page) 21:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Remember the Great Yowien War? It was a violation of international law; and the wiki law too - you can't just fake Feey3 dropped a nuke on Shops (and later he got executed, but that got changed). Your argument is very weak, and you are trying to justify your former warmongering acts with no valid argument. And "Planet 1984 is Bro's invention so he essentially has the final say" so when Bro invades a country (3 COUNTRIES) out of random, it is okay, but when we invade 1 little irrelevant nation (which just had a coup d'etat and by the way, it is ADOPTED BY SNOWSTORMER), it is not okay and deserves severe punishment? Stop trying to justify your and Bro's actions with a fake answer. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:13, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Sure. Well then sanctions and an embargo on both countries it will be. -- User:Swiss Ninja  (My Talk Page)


 * What about the fact that the king was okay with this occupation? It's not like he was killed. If you read the invasion page, it clearly states that he is now governor of the Sealien side, and he technically still has all the power he had before. And again, I own OOC rights, I can do this. You don't own OOC rights, you can place embargoes or whatever on me if you want, but you cannot have a war with me without my explicit permission. --Snowstormer (talk) 21:16, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * No, I am not letting you place embargo on me since it is a violation of OOC. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually I have the power to ban Snowinian goods from entering my countries.

Very well. A king doesn't represent the will of the people. I will not take military action. But sanctions and ambassador recalls will occur UNLESS the following conditions occur:

1. Both Nations restore the sovereignty od Macradonia Or

2. Both nations hold a Referendum to determine Macradonia's fate and there must be foreign observers from the AU, USA, and Shops to ensure the election is not corrupt.

-- User:Swiss Ninja  (My Talk Page) 21:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * But the king owned 100% of the power. I'm fairly sure the people penguins of the nation did not want to be ruled by a bunch of terrorists, and both the Seal Islands and Snowiny grant the penguins all the freedom in the world, more than they had before as Macradonia.
 * As for a referendum, that might do. I guess that since it will pass no matter what (because OOC, though not a 100% pass obviously), it would be more democratic than a blatant annexation. --Snowstormer (talk) 21:27, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

True, but what could have been done was that the two nations could have established a transitional government that was democratic. Sure, the AU will accept a Referendum. -- User:Swiss Ninja  (My Talk Page) 21:31, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, referendum it is! --Snowstormer (talk) 21:33, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and with international observers from the USA, AU, and Shops as well to make sure there isn't any corruption, discrimination, or malpractices. -- User:Swiss Ninja  (My Talk Page) 21:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * We would never do that. We aren't Russia. We fully support democracy and freedom to peoples. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 21:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there will be observers. --Snowstormer (talk) 21:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

And there we go! --Snowstormer (talk) 21:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)