Talk:Ninja

Merging All Core Ninjas
Personally, I think every single canonical ninja (fire, water, snow and shadow) should be merged into one page. I already know this will be controversial, though just hear me out.


 * 1. There isn't much to say about them characteristically.
 * In all seriousness, what is there really to describe about elemental ninjas that truly differentiate them from one another? At their core they're each specialized ninjas of their element of which they control, each with four parts of uniform that must defeat Sensei, whom they train under, in order to earn their elemental gem. Vanilla ninjas aren't very significant either, with the most to say about them being that they can turn invisible, and are generally less skilled in the elements than any elemental ninja. I'm sure you could argue that generally Fire Ninjas are aggressive, Water Ninjas are commanding, Snow Ninjas are calming or something to that extent, but minuscule observations such as these do not justify an entire article in their dedication. And while each elemental ninja may have their own traditions and "culture", they're ultimately still unified under one Sensei and originate from the Three Masters.
 * 2. All ninja histories are intertwined with little to no isolation to one another.
 * The path of all ninjas historically began with the Three Masters. While there are definitely certain events that may have sparked "movements" in each elemental culture, these events would have occurred relative to one another, allowing them to build off of one another. I am aware that on the Fire Ninja page it is stated that they were isolated for a time, though this likely a temporary renegade faction since Fire Ninjas were trained under Sensei Tsoi less than 100 years prior to Khanzem. In addition to this, because of the Sensei Merge, Shadow Ninjas are going to be reworked to be under Sensei's definitive leadership.
 * 3. Describing each elemental ninja in comparison one another would ultimately wind up repetitive.
 * Don't take this the wrong way, I think what PPD added to the Fire Ninja page were great additions. My only issue with it is in their fatal flaw of non-exclusive information. If Water and Snow Ninja pages were created, the same statistics would likely be listed but switched around or reworded to better give the elemental ninja of choice the spotlight. If all this data and information could be displayed on one page, that would single-handedly solve this problem.
 * 4. Finally gives Water and Snow Ninjas proper homes for their information.
 * Somehow these two elemental ninjas have eluded creation for years, and by next year November will have been a decade for Water Ninjas to have gone without an article. Merging these ninjas into one page will will finally provide a proper home for any information regarding to these two elemental ninjas.
 * 5. It's better to have one unified well-written article than to have multiple average ones.
 * Need I say more?

An alternative solution suggested to me by CK was to perhaps simply merge all of the elemental ninjas into one page, while the regular ninjas would remain separate. The issue that persists with this solution is that there is still a lack of content for regular ninjas apart from their ability to disappear and being all-around weaker and less skilled than their elemental-specialized peers.

With all of this information in mind, I'd like to hear anyone else's thoughts, concerns or counterarguments. Let the discussion begin! --Mario Rk 04:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Admittedly I was kind of skeptical about merging all of the elemental ninjas into the base ninja page, but these are all pretty good points so sure, why not. --Chill 57181 GingerbreadManPin.PNG (Talk • Contributions )  18:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not, rather than performing a marvelous temper tantrum, I think it's a good idea to merge all the elemental ninjas onto one page. In my opinion, though, they and the plain Ninjas should be kept separate, because the plain ones are weaker/less skilled (as Mario points out) and tbh they don't really have that much rivals.  Penguinpuffdude Hiking.png  It's time for a chat, no?    02:09, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * My only issue that I haven't listed with an Elemental Ninjas page is that the Elemental and regular ninjas still share more or less the same history and are still united in the same greater ninja culture. I suppose an Elemental Ninjas page would feature a more streamlined version of Ninja history, but still. Not sure what rivalries would have to do with them needing separate pages though. Overall, it probably comes down to how much content I end up producing for the Ninja rework/expansion I'm working on. --Mario Rk UBER-Kermit.svg 04:47, 9 December 2019 (UTC)