Talk:United Antarctic Nations

I don't want an edit war to happen, so I'll allow a discussion to happen here. Why Shouldn't UTR be a member of the Security Council (and give a better answer than "No!") Mectrixctic   Talk to me! See the articles I worked on. . see my edits! 22:01, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * No!


 * But seriously, it's because UTR doesn't deserve it. Ninj just popped up here a few weeks ago and suddenly makes UnitedTerra the second most powerful country in Antarctica, even though it hasn't been involved in anything for years. He can't just go around punching his country to the top of the list. --CanadaFlag.png Bro  Talk to me! OHYEAH.png 22:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * tbh I agree. I had a 3 hour argument with him today on this :L Penstubal  (Talk) (Edits) 22:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually he did it like 6 years ago, but that's a lousy reason for saying it doesn't deserve it. Just because Ninj hasn't written as much about UTR being involved as you have your your countries doesn't mean that it hasn't since one can simply make more edits. Furthermore UTR has been the most prominent country other than United States for most of CPFW's history so I'd say it earned the spot. Mectrixctic   Talk to me! See the articles I worked on. . see my edits! 22:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In retrospect, Shops Island was around since 2010, and became a superpower almost immediately, whilst UTR was declared in the 2000's and ascended slowly upwards in power. It's not about some user immediately returning, because otherwise that's a personal reason and therefore invalid. It's about how they made the country over the years and the way they structured it. -  Wonderweez  ( Talk · Contribs ) 22:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * When this UAN article was created UnitedTerra was meant to be up there with USA. I don't know who's edited it and made the Security Council list and not included it, but ever since then it's stuck when it wasn't supposed to be. Also, Penstubal never mentioned anything about UTR's role in the UAN on IRC today - more to do with the 3 alliances. UTR has ascended slowly yet fairly over history, it deserves a rightful place. So historically, UTR would be in the Main Council from the start. It just wasn't written. -- [[Image:Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG]] ¤   (  User page! ) (  Talk page. ) 22:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I meant how I argued with you on UTR being 2nd most powerful at everything. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 10:14, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Far as I'm aware the argument was on how USA is most powerful at everything. But whatevs. -- [[Image:Ninj Xmas Sig.PNG]] ¤   (  User page! ) (  Talk page. ) 12:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Like I said on IRC- I think because of it's size and growth over the past decade that it wouldn't hurt being included in the security council. In addition, Puffle'and and/or Frankterre would be better suited in the in influence powers than the security council, in my opinion.  Wanna Talk?   22:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree with UTR being a permanent seat holder. -- Slender  Talk to me   22:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Can any countries join in? -- Agent Isai  (Talk)

04:16, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course! You can add Castrolla to the UAN! --CPRussia.pngBelarus_flag.jpg Slender  Talk to me   05:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Security Council
I think the Security Council should be reformed so there are 5 Main Powers with USA, Castilla, UnitedTerra, Shops Island and Zhou and 5 Influence Powers Frankterre, Puffle'and, Ruscan Federation, United Provinces and Snowzerland. I will explain why for each member:

1. USA: No question about that - world's largest superpower. Carries the most influence on the Antarctic stage.

2. Castilla: A major world power which carries significant influence in the Ninja Archipelago.

3. UnitedTerra: Another major world power with significant influence.

4. Shops Island: One of the largest world powers and most entangled in Antarctic politics. Has influence worldwide, territory across the world and is the founder and most powerful member country of the Axle Powers.

5. Zhou: A rising power in the Asiapelago, challenging the established world order. If it became part of the Security Council it would become the only member typically not aligned with Shops Island, which is why I believe that it is a good idea to have them in the Security Council for balance sake.

6. Frankterre: Still a big power though not quite as powerful as it used to be, having been overshadowed by Castilla.

7. Puffle'and: A big power despite being the only real nation where puffles are the dominant species. Used to be the most powerful country until the USA declared independence.

8. Ruscan Federation: A great power though does not carry as much influence around the world as it used to.

9. United Provinces: One of the rising and most stable world powers. Has enormous influence across the world and is the founding and most powerful member of the Western Union. Deeply integrated in the Antarctic economy. Significant troop presence worldwide. One of the world leaders in soft power.

10. Snowzerland: Formerly a very powerful country that was crippled by several wars. Having it in the influence council would also give some balance to the main powers within the Security Council.

I decided to propose this because the current Security Council make no sense to me. I don't see Frankterre as a world power at all as it is a relatively isolated nation. Freezeland is never involved in any Antarctic event and is isolated as well, same with Polaris despite getting involved recently. Zhou as an influence power makes no sense at all though because it is one of the leaders of the Asiapelago and is deeply entangled in Sub-Antarctic politics, having recently had a détente with the United Provinces.

The United Provinces I don't see as a Security Council power until the fall of Shops. I think it is dumb not to have it as an influence power considering it is the leader of the Western Union, the largest political, economic and military union in Antarctica and is one of the most deeply integrated countries in the Antarctic economy. It was also the leader of the Antarctic War on Terror, which is still going on in small skirmishes today, and has many allies worldwide such as Acadia and Tropicalis. United Provinces is undoubtedly a leader in soft power as has been proven by their entanglements abroad and I wish for it to be represented in the Influence Council at minimum.

I would also like to note that in the real life United Nations, there is a Security Council and there is a General Assembly and the Security Council is where great powers can veto. There is no veto power in the General Assembly. I also wish to make it so in the Security Council, the five Main Powers have a right to veto and their veto can not be overridden. The five Influence Powers should also have a veto power but their veto can be overridden if 2/3rds of the whole council agree.

Those are my ideas. Please comment below and give me your thoughts. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 16:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

East Pengolia
East Pengolia was in the "List of Nations in the early UAN" section, but the "Early UAN" was 1959 - 2006 (it said that East Pengolia joined in 2003) and East Pengolia was created in 2009.

-- QUACKERPINGU WITH BIG LETTERS!   (talk).   Contributions   A link   14:52, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Ok sooo.... you fixed it? Good job.   C  K   Sysop  15:11, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I removed East Pengolia from that list, but I don't know if it should be added to the other one (as the East Pengolia page doesn't mention the UAN at all). --QP.png QUACKERPINGU WITH BIG LETTERS!   (talk).   Contributions   A link  Quackerpingu2.png 15:24, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Freezestonia as a diplomat for UAN? That would make sense.-- I FEEL GR8  M8 MLG LOL. Wanna Chat? -Mcdonalds394     20:18, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

General Secretary
Every 10 years the real life United Nations have general secretary elections. This was the last one, in 2016. The Gen Secretary in our UAN is supposed to be a South Joseonan dude to parody real life, but the South Korean hasn't held his seat for nearly 2 years now. I think it's time to either choose a new general secretary or make a Lisboagese or Dorkugalese guy new Gen Sec as the "new" real life dude is Portuguese - personally Dorkugalese would be more interesting than Lisboagese because Dorkugal is more prominent but still seldom mentioned and it would be kind of interesting -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 14:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Then do it, make it a Dorkugese dude (and rly annoy brant). Though, we probably don't need an election page because ew.   C  K   Sysop  04:03, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, if we're going to reform the UAN or sth please consider my idea for the security council and influence powers - it would be the biggest UAN reform to date, and I feel it is really necessary so the security council represents the geopolitical situation in Antarctica. The current security council makes no sense as a few countries (Freezeland, Puffle'and) have little to no influence in Antarctic affairs - it's like giving Romania and Kazakhstan security council seats. -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 11:16, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Also, why would applications be closed? Wouldn't the goal of the organization be to include as many countries as possible to ensure world peace? -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 11:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)